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I have a question...

Why is there a difference in the military between Japan (pacifist) and Germany (full capability) all stemming from WWII?

I understand the arrangement with Japan (unconditional surrender.. so on so forth)... but why is Germany different?

MJ

1 posted on 07/10/2007 5:50:15 AM PDT by MrJapan
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To: MrJapan

Krupp?


2 posted on 07/10/2007 5:51:04 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: MrJapan
West Germany was needed as a bulwark against Soviet Communism.
3 posted on 07/10/2007 5:52:56 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: MrJapan

It is the post-war Japanese Constitution that severely restricts the Japanese military. I’m not sure of the specifics.


4 posted on 07/10/2007 5:53:11 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: MrJapan

Why is sushi different from Weinerschnitzel?.......


5 posted on 07/10/2007 5:54:57 AM PDT by Red Badger (No wonder Mexico is so filthy. Everybody who does cleaning jobs is HERE!.......)
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To: MrJapan
I believe the US wrote the Japanese Constitution. It's a very pacifistic document, because we wanted it that way. Japan had just been nuked, so they wanted it that way too. It's worked out well for them, as they mostly concentrate on industrial development.

Germany faced the Warsaw Pact. It was in their interest, and ours, for Germany to be strong enough to make an invasion from the East seem like a bad idea. That has worked out well for them.

7 posted on 07/10/2007 5:58:05 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Progressives like to keep doing the things that didn't work in the past.)
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To: MrJapan

Indeed, the fight against communism was the reason for the re-armament of Germany. But nevertheless, there are still restrictions on Germany, it may not have: strategic bombers, NBC-weapons, carriers or nuclear subs.


8 posted on 07/10/2007 5:59:35 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: MrJapan

Unconditional surrender means just that...unconditional.

Post war Japan was owned and operated by the United States under the managership of General McArthur, who also wrote the Japanese constitution.

Post war Germany was divided with the east controlled by the Soviets and the west had a strong U.S. military presence to counter that Soviet threat.


9 posted on 07/10/2007 5:59:38 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: MrJapan

The USSR in the 50s - 80s and Putin now. It’s as simple as that.


10 posted on 07/10/2007 6:00:34 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: MrJapan
McArthur used Japan as a test bed where he could try out some of his idealistic fantasies - for all practical purposes he was viceroy of Japan and could set things up any way he wanted.

in a parallel world without Red China it probably would have all worked out fine...

11 posted on 07/10/2007 6:11:24 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution:

Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes.

2) In order to accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized.

15 posted on 07/10/2007 6:31:29 AM PDT by kabar
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To: MrJapan

Because of the Russian threat against Germany.


18 posted on 07/10/2007 6:39:20 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: MrJapan
The Berlin blockade.

By the time it was over, it was clear that a German military force was needed on the front lines.

The US even had to recruit former Luftwaffe guys to work on the planes during the airlift. Although fraternization was prohibited, it did occur, and that was also a contributing factor in the change in attitude.

A similar ‘front line’ scenario with regard to Japan has only recently developed.

21 posted on 07/10/2007 6:46:44 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: MrJapan

How about this?

In Europe, the Soviet Army never went home (until the Cold War ‘ended’).

In Japan, the Soviet Army never got there (Sakhalin aside).

Geographical differences (Japan is an island) also makes direct invasion problematic unless the US Navy / USAF suddenly went home — which they weren’t going to.

The defensive response of both countries were conditioned by very basic factors.


23 posted on 07/10/2007 6:55:05 AM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: MrJapan
There actually isn't very much differance between the histories of Japan and Germany after the war: neither Germany nor Japan were allowed to develop forces that could independently wage aggressive war again. Germany developed the Bundeswehr and Japan her Self-Defense Forces. Both Japan and Germany were and are members of allied treaty organizations (SEATO and NATO) Neither country's laws allowed the deployment of forces outside of their countries for a long time and it has only been recently that special cases have been developed to send German and Japanese forces on deployments.

Both countries have essentially pacifist constitutions and have had about 60 years of peace and protection.

I'm curious: why would anyone think that Germany is "fully capable"? And why would anyone one want to see militarism start up again in either country?

39 posted on 07/11/2007 3:29:04 AM PDT by USMCVet
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To: MrJapan

Why would you expect them to be the same?

They are different cultures and were allies in WW II against the same American enemy for completely different reasons.

Germany was partitioned and was threatened till the fall of the Soviet Union. Japan had no such threat.


42 posted on 07/11/2007 5:18:14 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Happiness is a down sleeping bag)
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To: MrJapan

Japan has the industrial strength that she could easily re-arm with a 1st rate military. However, her people are civilized and respect the rule of law, namely her Constitution. Should the people of Japan decide to change the law, they can, up until this point, they have chosen not to.


45 posted on 07/11/2007 6:27:37 AM PDT by fso301
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To: MrJapan

Aside from cultural differences, the Allies re-armed Germany as a front line against the Soviets, and discouraged Japan from re-arming.


54 posted on 07/12/2007 1:58:40 AM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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Ocean... Japan could afford to be a pacifist nation, Germany had The Soviets on their borders and in half their country.


64 posted on 07/14/2007 5:12:07 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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