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Rove Gang Moves In
http://stonezone.com/ ^ | July 7, 2008 | Roger Stone

Posted on 07/08/2008 7:14:53 PM PDT by gusopol3

Rove Gang Moves In

McCain Campaign Manager, Rick Davis, was unable to repel a Rovian boarding party with the naming of Steve Schmidt as the new day-to-day manager of the McCain campaign. Davis retains the title but is relegated to “long-term planning.” Schmidt is part of a troika of former Rove aides now in place to revive a campaign that seems to be having trouble defining a message both for McCain and against Barack Obama.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 527s; mccain; rove; steveschmidt
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1 posted on 07/08/2008 7:14:53 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

Rove! You magnificent bastard!


2 posted on 07/08/2008 7:21:54 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: gusopol3
between Klintoons et al and (that magnificent Bastard :) Rove....this should be very interesting, (and fun) indeed...
3 posted on 07/08/2008 7:24:48 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (If you aren't "advancing" your arguments,your losing "the battle of Ideas"...libs,hates the facts 8^)
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To: gusopol3
Murphy has a rapport with the candidate and the cleverness to develop a message line which is both pungent and interesting.

A party without a message trying to develop a message to at the last the moment before an impending election. That sounds like a very similar predicament constantly facing another party because they don't want the masses to know their true intentions.

Based on Murphy's handling of McCain in 2000, it's also pretty clear that Murphy understands that voters must see flashes of McCain the Maverick in order to attract the Independents and Democrats McCain needs in order to win.

Heaven forbid McCain and the GOP appeal to Conservatives. After all their campaign for Conservatives is to shut up sacrifice their principles and vote for socialist McCain. It's working well
4 posted on 07/08/2008 7:26:22 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: gusopol3

Good news if so. Let’s hope Rove’s boys will put some spark in the McCain campaign. We can’t afford the Obamessiah.


5 posted on 07/08/2008 7:27:42 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: gusopol3

Son of a Gun! now I know what I was referring to in my tagline! GWB promised McCain the Rovian Delta Force!


6 posted on 07/08/2008 7:31:16 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Senator McCain, what did GWB promise you back in 2000? And you believed him? BWAHAAAAA!)
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To: gusopol3

Rove..you go guy.. Wish ol MaHaRushie was in the picture too. Rove and Rush are two of the fastest thinkers and responders to the garbage the lefties hand out that it is a shame they aren’t the ticket for 08!


7 posted on 07/08/2008 7:45:54 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: celtic gal

Obama’s daily gaffes are providing plenty of ammunition for some great commercials. I just hope the Rovians will take adavantage of them.

The “143” day blog post by Republican strategist Cheri Jacobus the other day was brilliant. I sent a fax to the RNC strategy department today with advertising ideas. All they have to do is juxtapose Obama’s 143 days next to McCain’s 22 years of military service, his 1,966 days in captivity, and his 26 years in Congress. No contest.

My suggested ending: “After 143 days Barak Obama decided he was ready to be the President, the Commander-in-Chief, the Leader of the Free World. 143 days. Now THAT’S audacity.

Link to Jacobus’ blog post: http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/?p=707


8 posted on 07/08/2008 8:05:19 PM PDT by freedom4me (No compromise w/ the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact w/ unrepentant wrong. --Churchill)
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To: gusopol3

[cue the “William Tell” Overture]

“The Magnificent Bastard...rides again!”


9 posted on 07/08/2008 8:09:11 PM PDT by RichInOC ("Who was that fat man?" "I don't know...but he left us this turd blossom.")
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To: gusopol3
...Rove aides now in place to revive a campaign that seems to be having trouble defining a message both for McCain and against Barack Obama.

How do you revive something that began half dead and gets worse each passing day?

The reason McEgo's staff has a problem defining a message for him is that most of the things he really wants to accomplish are already part of Obama's campaign and the DNC platform.

They know each time McEgo speaks the truth it drives even more of the republican base away.

The campaign is starting to realize that the so called "moderates" he has been courting won't be voting for Juan and neither will consrvatives.

He makes his water all over the republican conservative base; now his new staff will try to convince us it is sweet rain.

There is nothing they can do to improve the situation short of persuading McEgo to drop out of the election due to a serious but unidentified medical problem.

Having him lie, lie, and lie some more to the base will not help and telling the truth is even worse.

10 posted on 07/08/2008 8:17:51 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: skinkinthegrass; Incorrigible
Either Karl Rove is a traitor to conservatism and should be shunned or he is the "magnificent bastard" who miraculously extended the life of the Republican Party and a conservative cause which are demographically destined to extinction.

Rove presided over the debacle of spending gone crazy, over inexplicable indifference to invasion across our borders, and a maddening unwillingness to take up the cudgels to defend the administration against even the most transparent calumnies. Rove permitted his candidate, and more importantly his president, to sink to the lowest ratings ever while they stood dumb. Was he playing rope a dope? This is not a matter of the personal standing of a president who will eventually leave office after his terms, this is how policy is shaped in America. If the president can not defend his own war and carry the country with him, the nation loses a war.

If history does not disclose that Rove was pleading and begging on bended knees for his president to defend his administration but could not penetrate the obtuseness of George Bush, then history must say that Karl Rove failed his president and failed his country.

The Bush administration has never really been animated except in the campaign for its own reelection and in the campaign to enter the war against Iraq. It was not animated in a vigorous defense of the conduct of the war in Iraq. Because the Bush administration permitted itself to be battered and bashed into a laughingstock by its enemies and by extension permitted its policies, especially in Iraq, to be threatened with ruin, the whole country was nearly ruined. Where was Karl Rove?

When the '96 election was a shambles, and easily foreseen to be a shambles, where was Karl Rove? Of course, by the time of the 96 election and it was too late because the rope a dope strategy of the White House had ruined everything.

When pump prices were creeping toward the stratosphere and even posters such as myself before the 96 election could identify the problem and plead with the Republicans to make an issue out of the Democrats deliberate policy of gasoline shortage, where was Karl Rove?

The only defense for Karl Rove that I can imagine is one of two: George Bush was hopelessly indifferent because of his view of the nature of politics; or Karl Rove accurately and coldly assessed that a demographic change had taken hold in America and the time for conservatism was over. Under the last alternative, Rove ingeniously contrived to extend the life of the Republican Party beyond the time nature had scheduled for its extinction by miraculously holding onto Ohio. Under this hypothesis, Rove recognized that a bunker mentality coupled with a ground campaign was the only way to eke out an electoral college victory. In effect Rove said, "damn the party I am going to protect my president", and so the Bush administration was granted another term to fight its war in Iraq but otherwise to sleepwalk toward oblivion. Rove precisely calculated that he could carry the old Confederacy, the border states, the mountain states and the South West, plus Ohio, on the issue of the war on terror before the Democrats and the media succeeded in their campaign to turn the country, Vietnam style, against the war. As Wellington said, it was a damn close run thing.

If Rove recognized that America had undergone a demographic watershed (caused by immigration and generational change-probably compounded by the media and the academies), how then can one explain the Bush administration's unwillingness to fulfill its oath and see that the laws were faithfully executed and stop the invasion across our borders? Did Karl Rove say, "I understand that this flood will mean the Republicans will be out of power for a generation but, no matter, the reckoning will come after we leave the White House. But if we act now to stop it, although it might save the Republican Party, I don't care because Bush reelection chances will be harmed if we risk the ire of the Hispanic block"? Who made these decisions, Bush or Rove? Where will history show that Rove was on these issues?

I do not pretend to know the answers to these questions, I confess that I am no doubt ignorant of the most important questions, but I am not prepared to say that Karl Rove is an architect of political genius.


11 posted on 07/08/2008 8:36:36 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: gusopol3

Just another K Street gang banger hit man signing on with McCain. You know, the kind that McCain railed against while jamming McCain-Feingold down our throats and simultaneously providing cover for his fellow senators who took payola from Abramoff.


12 posted on 07/08/2008 8:44:38 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The GOP death march to the gravesite is underway.)
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To: freedom4me

Obama said last week, “You don’t bring a knife to a gun fight”...cute and lifted from some old movie. However, the comment is interesting from the perspective that Obama is soon going to learn that politics for the presidency is not a basketball game where quickness and sharp elbows can win beneath the nets. No, my friends, Obama is going to learn as he is carved piece by piece between now and November that the instrument of choice will be neither knife or gun but a boatload of scalpels carving out the truth despite his reluctance to be pinned down.

Karl Rove cannot go anywhere near John McCain without hurting the candidate. But who needs to go to Oz when you can send your flying monkeys instead. He’ll get Obama my pretties, Obama and his mangy dog, too!!!!


13 posted on 07/08/2008 9:45:22 PM PDT by johnnycap
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To: gusopol3

The wheels are coming off.I’m not surprized.


14 posted on 07/08/2008 10:34:54 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: gusopol3

How could anything Rove be bad for McCain’s campaign? The guy is a political genius.


15 posted on 07/09/2008 5:13:23 AM PDT by Lazarus Starr
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To: gusopol3

well at least this part is right...someone needs to revive a campaign that seems to be having trouble defining a message both for McCain and against Barack Obama...good luck. McCain probably will not listen to anyone but that little bird in his crazy mind.


16 posted on 07/09/2008 5:45:31 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: nathanbedford
..but I am not prepared to say that Karl Rove is an architect of political genius.
well...how 'bout a competent campaign manger....working against, one of the most corrupt (Klintoons' et al ) political machines in the last 60 years.
17 posted on 07/09/2008 7:09:21 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (If you aren't "advancing" your arguments,your losing "the battle of Ideas"...libs,hates the facts 8^)
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To: TADSLOS
and simultaneously providing cover for his fellow senators who took payola from Abramoff.
Oh...You mean, like Sen. Juan "Strawberries/Keating Five" McPain (AZ-Egoist)

18 posted on 07/09/2008 7:15:16 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (If you aren't "advancing" your arguments,your losing "the battle of Ideas"...libs,hates the facts 8^)
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To: skinkinthegrass
Incidentally and coincidently, I was listening to Dennis Prager with half an ear last night (my time in Germany) as he was conducting an interview with the author of a book the name of either of which, I'm embarrassed to say, escapes me. This author was adamant that the inexplicable decision by the Bush administration not to defend itself against the attacks, "Bush lied, people died", was made by the president himself who felt that the task was hopeless and would divert the administration from other battles it must wage.

That would tend to exonerate Karl Rove if Karl Rove had at least pleaded a case that the administration should fight back.

I remain of the conviction that nothing could have been more important for the Bush administration to fight for than the Keystone issue of the war in Iraq. I do not believe it was a fatalism which caused George Bush to decline to wage this propaganda war, I think it was in his commitment to his faith. By that I mean, George Bush is a committed Christian and I think he sees the ultimate judgment for his decisions about Iraq to be with a far more august jury then pundits or even the American people.


19 posted on 07/10/2008 2:51:11 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
..was made by the president himself who felt that the task was hopeless and would divert the administration from other battles it must wage....
Hmmm, All your points, are well taken...and perhaps Rove & his staff were hypnotized on the WOT and not on the (domestic/practical) issues.
20 posted on 07/10/2008 4:00:18 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (If you aren't "advancing" your arguments,your losing "the battle of Ideas"...libs,hates the facts 8^)
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