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To: mike-zed

“For the same reason that you let states write murder laws for themselves, because it’s fundamentally a state issue. If it’s ok for the Federal Govt to dictate abortion law then it can dictate every other form of murder law. Do you want Obama writing your castle doctrine law?”

Nonsense. The Federal government has enumerated rights and powers which is what the 10th covers. The Feds do not have the constitutional authority to intervene in state matters.

The 14th already settled this matter, that this is not in the realm of the State, but the federal government. As it should. The right to life is the most fundamental of all our rights and the federal government has the obligation to protect this right to the fullest extent.

One cannot express any of the other constitutional rights, if one is simple declared to be an unperson. CA and NY may insist on abortion, just as states insisted on slavery. Both were wrong.


18 posted on 07/29/2011 5:48:00 AM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: BenKenobi; mike-zed
One cannot express any of the other constitutional rights, if one is simple declared to be an unperson. CA and NY may insist on abortion, just as states insisted on slavery. Both were wrong.

Good grief! Even more bilge.

States were not legally wrong to "insist" on slavery. Slavery is implicitly recognized as legal in the Constitution of the United States; and explicitly recognized as a States' Right under Amendment IX and X.

Morally wrong, yes.

Remedies were provided by 1) The Emancipation Proclamation. This could only be applied to the States in rebellion during the Civil War, because they were no longer protected by the Constitution -- the Border States' slaves could not be freed by this instrument -- and subsequently throughout the US by 2) Amendments XIII, XIV, and XV, which were necessary because legally slavery was fully recognized and protected by the Founders' Constitution.

After the passage of XIII, XIV, and XV, NO STATE "insisted" on slavery. Before that, they didn't have to.

Your grandiose understanding of the Fourteen Amendment might be admirable if it had not already proven itself to be the source of so much mischief and outright evil by the Federal Judiciary. An expansive interpretation of citizenship, due process, equal protection, and even Incorporation have been the root cause of every abuse of the Constitution (excluding the Commerce Clause) in modern times.

Contrary to its horrific abuses, the Fourteenth Amendment is a point-by-point demolition of Chief Justice Taney's idiotic interpretation of US citizenship in Dred Scott. It was not intended as a blunt instrument to destroy the States and establish a National, rather than Federal Constitution.

Liberals actually agree with your extravagance. Unfortunately, no Supreme Court has ever found any merit in your conclusions.

The argument you're making is EXACTLY the argument used in Griswold and later Roe to murder -- not protect -- the unborn. How does it feel to be on the side of the baby killers?

24 posted on 07/29/2011 11:24:42 AM PDT by FredZarguna (Crying won't help ya, prayin' won't do ya no good.)
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