Posted on 12/30/2020 6:44:45 AM PST by SeekAndFind
When Congressman Louie Gohmert filed a lawsuit against Vice President Mike Pence to compel him to accept the alternate electors from contested states on January 6th, I did what I often lambaste the left for doing. I didn’t read the lawsuit and hoped for the best. It’s not that I didn’t think it was worthwhile, but I figured any important details about it would come out shortly after the suit was filed.
The important detail didn’t emerge until last night, and it’s exactly what I feared the most. Apparently, attorneys for the Vice President questioned Pence’s ability to object to contested electors, prompting the filing of the suit. Deep down, I figured that was likely the case but didn’t want to face it. I wanted to believe Pence is an honorable, faith-driven, Constitution-defending man who would do the right thing when his time came. It appears I was wrong. According to Newsmax:
Before suing, Gohmert’s lawyer outlined his legal arguments in an email to the Office of the Counsel of the Vice President and eventually held a meeting by phone with Pence’s lawyers, according to the Tuesday filing.
“In the teleconference, plaintiffs’ counsel made a meaningful attempt to resolve the underlying legal issues by agreement, including advising the Vice President’s counsel that plaintiffs intended to seek immediate injunctive relief in the event the parties did not agree,” Gohmert said. “Those discussions were not successful in reaching an agreement and this lawsuit was filed.”
Gohmert also said that he failed to convince Pence’s lawyers to expedite the lawsuit by allowing the congressman to formally deliver the lawsuit by email once it was filed in court.
Do not be fooled by submission to a legal interpretation. If Mike Pence wanted to fight the coup and fulfill his oath to defend the Constitution, he would be aggressively finding ways to take the necessary actions lawfully. Instead, he and his attorneys are deflecting, hiding behind one very dubious legal interpretation that goes squarely against precedent as well as common sense. As I noted on Twitter, anyone in government who is not actively fighting against the coup is no better than the perpetrators themselves.
Is there a difference between those directly involved in the coup and lawmakers who are not actively fighting it?
No.
— JD Rucker (@JDRucker) December 30, 2020
This could be a misunderstanding. I’m not hopeful that it is, so until Pence comes out officially one way or another, we have to go with what we know. His attorneys forced Gohmert to file a lawsuit in order to demonstrate the President of the Senate has the power to reject fraudulent electors. Unless these attorneys were acting against Pence’s wishes or this is some sort of 8-D chess move, we should go forward assuming Pence will do nothing on January 6th. And that makes him part of the coup.
That also means we’re still in the same position I’ve been preaching about on the NOQ Report for weeks. We need the MOAB, the Mother Of All Bombshells, to drop. And if it does, we need to acknowledge that it was by the will of God that it happened. Countless patriots have fought to expose the coup. We’ve had over a thousand sworn affidavits detailing voter fraud. We’ve had images and videos demonstrating how it happened. We’ve had statistical analyses ad nauseam. None of it seems to be making a dent. The force field around the collective consciousness of the nation has kept the same fraudulent results intact in the eyes of both the ignorant and those in denial.
And through it all, I remain quite confident President Trump will prevail in the end. We have the truth on our side, and that’s a powerful thing. Our Father hates lies and liars, which is why I believe He will act on our behalf. I know He can. I do not know if He will. Nobody does. This is why it is imperative that we pray daily for the truth to correct this circumstance. Pray multiple times per day. Pray constantly if you can. But one thing must be said. If His will is that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are to lead this nation, then we must not question it. NO, that does not mean we should not oppose it or that we stop fighting the good fight. But only God knows His plan and we must not feel betrayed just because our limited perceptions of the situation make us believe all is terrible.
Lest we forget, a majority of conservatives fought long and hard to get Mitt Romney elected over Barack Obama in 2012. Many prayed that it would happen. And if our will had been done instead of God’s will, then Romney would have squarely planted the GOP in his lukewarm, milquetoast brand of Republicanism for one or two terms and set that course for the foreseeable future. Meanwhile, Donald Trump would never have run for office. We need to remember that our Lord works in mysterious ways… at least to us. From His perspective, it all makes sense.
THE NSF HAS WAYS.
THEY CAN BLACKMAIL PEOPLE DIRECTLY OR THROUGH THEIR FRIENDS AND RELATIVES AND USE OBAMA’S FBI AS ENFORCERS
Every time I see someone post that yet another of Trump’s team is “disloyal” I think of The Caine Mutiny.
Can they ALL be disloyal?
Pence was part of the first coup attempt when he and Trump’s cabinet met to discuss the 25th amendment, although he and Rosenstein denied it. I wouldn’t trust Pence as far as I could throw him.
Pence was part of the Boehner, Ryan, Cantor House leadership.
Only Bush League Republicans get leadership positions.
Their loyalty is to ...... “the institution”.
Maybe he was a leader from the start
It really is time for President Trump to release whatever evidence he has to the public.
FROM THE AMERICAN THINKER:
If Mike Pence wants to do the right thing, he needs only to interpret “votes” as votes from states NOT IN DISPUTE, and count them accordingly.
He could declare, “I will not count the Biden electors, or the competing slates of Trump electors, in disputed states where there is overwhelming credible evidence of systemic fraud.” Thus would he restore the election win to President Trump, from whom it was audaciously stolen.
What would Pence have to lose? A commenter at Legal Insurrection observed:
“Pence should refuse to count votes from the contested states, and dare someone to sue him in court. Then the SCOTUS can simply docket that for January 21, 2021.
If the SCOTUS can’t stop states from stealing elections, they damn well don’t have the power to stop Pence from counting the votes any way he wants to.”
One caveat: This has been a season in which everyone seems to be letting us down. Why expect Pence to be any different? The Washington Post reported, “Pence is hoping for a low-key Jan. 6 and is not planning any unnecessary drama, aides said, intending to stick to his perfunctory role. He is eyeing a trip overseas soon after.”
But the Post report might be inaccurate, or this could be Trump disinformation intended to cause the opposition to let down their guard.
As for the mention of no “unnecessary drama” in Pence’s plans, that doesn’t rule out necessary drama. The Democratic election theft was bold and shocking. It calls for a bold, shocking correction.
Drama is unavoidable, with the nation so bitterly divided. Half of the country, including 30 percent of Democrats, believe the election was stolen. Media gaslighting has convinced the other half, including Sen. McConnell and some other leading Republicans, that Biden was really elected.
The vice president faces a “difficult” decision that’s not really difficult: Will he decline to certify slates of electors produced by what the whole world knows was systemic cheating? Will he refuse to legitimize a treasonous coup, and thus single-handedly save the republic and change the course of history.
The lawsuit is to get the courts to question the Constitutionality of an 1800s law regarding the Vice President’s role with regard to the Electoral College, and it is that law that Pence’s lawyers are going by in terms of their advice to Pence. The Constitutionality of that law has not previously been questioned, though surely it should have been. It is better for the administration that Gohmert file that suit. However, there is no guarantee that even the present SCOTUS will agree with Gohmert’s argument.
Characterizing him as "part of the coup" seems excessive - he is being presented with an opportunity to do his job in the normal way vs. doing something radical that would earn him worldwide condemnation. He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy willing to take such a risk.
If Trump has a secret big stick to bring out after 1/6, nobody will remember or care that Pence counted the electoral votes in the traditional way. If Trump does not have such a stick and leaves office on 1/20, Pence will be praised for his "faithfulness to the Constitution".
If Pence is disloyal, the President certainly knows, and is planning accordingly.
It really is time for President Trump to release whatever evidence he has to the public.
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I hear ya and I’d ask, if PDJT “declassifies” the documents, I heard it has to be another person to “releases them”...i.e., the president can’t release the docs, only declassify.
Are any legal eagles present who can clarify? No $hit posts, please, we are in enough trouble already...I’m kinda tired of ostriches who are also smart alecs.
It really is time for President Trump to release whatever evidence he has to the public.
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Doesn’t matter - will not change a thing as far as DJT getting 2nd term. Filed under: Nice to Know.
Without indisputable evidence, Pence shouldn’t do what is suggested. I love Trump, hate rhinos, and I’m in GA holding my nose and voting for the R senate candidates.
But without overwhelming indisputable evidence, having a VP do this is a terrible precedent. It sets the stage that even the electors votes are meaningless.
The state legislators are the ones that could have and should have intervened in each state to name electors. The idea that the sitting VP will override the electors provided by the states, in order to maintain power is terrifying long term.
Pence is largely a figurehead in the electoral vote count. The state governments and state and federal courts have not challenged these certifications for Biden and so Pence cannot substitute his judgement or personal interest for theirs.
The acid test for voting for anyone in the future should be did they support Trump and did the spend every waking moment fighting the election fraud that occurred. The latter simply means that every single action they took and every single word they uttered was about election fraud. I understand some are constitutionally powerless, but they do have the ability to speak. Use this test with Pence and everyone else who seeks office in the future.
Quislings everywhere...
Sadly, none of this makes sense to me except as Democrat massive voter fraud, which apparently they will get away with.
Nobody with authority seems to have the courage and those with plenty of courage have no authority to stop it.
So what could possibly be the "up side" to a Biden presidency?
I can think of several, but all involve huge suffering for Americans, then potential Trump reelection in 2024...
Mysterious ways!
Worth repeating. Also in Georgia, baffled by the situation we find ourselves in. I didn’t leave CA less than 10 years to move to yet another Democratic cesspool state. SMH
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