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Of Course Violence against Government Can Be Justified
National Review ^ | January 4, 2022 11:31 AM | By DAVID HARSANYI

Posted on 01/05/2022 6:47:27 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

The media have been making a big deal over a Washington Post/University of Maryland poll which finds that 34 percent of Americans believe violence can be justified against the government. It’s a poll meant to feed the hysteria over the Capitol Hill riot and embarrass Republicans into supporting “voting rights” bills and so on...

It’s a failure of our civic education that 100 percent of respondents didn’t answer yes. The ability to resist a tyrannical government is a foundational American idea. It was the justification for the founding revolution. It, not hunting or skeet shooting, is the core reason for existence of the Second Amendment — which, Joseph Story, an associate Supreme Court justice, said best, “offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers.”

Incidentally, the participants were asked to provide instances when violence against the state would be justified, and all of them are perfectly reasonable:

Government violates or takes away rights or freedoms/Oppresses people – 22 percent

Government no longer a democracy/ Becomes a dictatorship/Coup/ Military takes over – 15 percent

Government violates constitution — 13 percent

Government abuses power/Tyranny — 12 percent

Government is violent against citizens/Safety at risk – 11 percent

Contemporary liberals often view this form of rhetoric as an endorsement of treason because they view our rights as an arbitrary and malleable cluster of edicts handed down by the government. What sneering contemporary critics fail to comprehend is that the founding generation believed that those who would undermine the universal and inalienable liberties of the people laid out in the Constitution were traitors

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; War on Terror
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1 posted on 01/05/2022 6:47:27 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I’m not surprised. Only about a third of Americans actively supported the Revolution in 1776, or so the story goes.


2 posted on 01/05/2022 6:54:15 PM PST by captain_dave
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Dissent is what the Left Wing is all about except when conservatives do it. Then it’s terrorism.


3 posted on 01/05/2022 7:01:48 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; captain_dave; Telepathic Intruder

Thomas Jefferson: The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.


4 posted on 01/05/2022 7:08:35 PM PST by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

From the Declaration of Independence...

“Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”


5 posted on 01/05/2022 7:19:35 PM PST by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: captain_dave

only 3-4% took up arms
Imagine that


6 posted on 01/05/2022 7:23:19 PM PST by SheepWhisperer (My enemy saw me on my knees, head bowed and thought they had won until I rose up and said Amen!)
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To: Retain Mike

Tell that to a Leftist and they’ll say Thomas Jefferson was a white slave owner, as if that’s all the information you need to know. They won’t acknowledge that Jefferson himself opposed slavery, or anything else which doesn’t fit their immediate agenda. Right and wrong, and reality itself, are determined solely by how they feel at the time, constantly changing.


7 posted on 01/05/2022 7:23:47 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

If you aren’t ready, willing and able to revolt against tyranny, elected or otherwise, you’re not much of an American. . Are ya? (Hitler was elected.)


8 posted on 01/05/2022 7:26:42 PM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Strange that a man with his wealth would have to resort to prostitution.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


9 posted on 01/05/2022 7:29:43 PM PST by TigersEye (Ray Epps didn't kill himself.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
The author's point is correct, but he should have used the actual language from the poll because it would have made his point even stronger. The question asked was:

Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to take violent action against the government, or is it never justified?

I think that is a very poorly worded question, but given the phrasing...I'd have to say "yes". It all depends on what the government is doing, doesn't it?

10 posted on 01/05/2022 7:31:32 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
" The media have been making a big deal over a Washington Post/University of Maryland poll which finds that 34 percent of Americans believe violence can be justified against the government. "

Peasants....if you want a revolution, you must ask the government's permission first!

11 posted on 01/05/2022 7:47:00 PM PST by crazy scenario (The burden of Damascus is next!)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
Among my annual tetters is this one to about 40 papers and commentators I send in April. To my knowledge it has never been published, but at least I get to irritate a few people at newpapers.

Thomas Jefferson and the Declaration of Independence

Thomas Jefferson, born April 17, 1743, was chosen to write the Declaration of Independence first because he was a Virginian and second for his writing skill. Virginia was the most populous colony, but precipitating revolution events like Lexington, Concord, Bunker Hill, the siege of Boston, and the capture of Fort Ticonderoga happened up North. Virginia would cement an alliance by bringing Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia with it.

Jefferson was well satisfied with his writing but suffered a painful ordeal as the Continental Congress remade his work. His draft at 1704 words was 366 words longer than the final. The Congress proceeded to add 253 words, and remove or change the phrasing for 792 words, thereby transforming over 60% of his work. Among passages removed was a section complaining the mercantile system, imposed on the colonies by commercial charter, mandated the importation of slaves to the New World.

Britain had forbidden the colony’s two attempts to abolish slavery, but between the start of the revolution and writing of the Constitution six of thirteen colonies freed slaves. The philosophical doctrines consulted for the Declaration of Independence and Constitution placed master and slave on the same plain of existence, and thereby doomed the institution of slavery.

Decisions to denigrate Thomas Jefferson in historical accounts examples contra-factual analysis supporting newly popular morality. We remember Martin Luther King for achievements as a civil rights leader, and not adultery. Recognizing Jefferson commemorates his writing the Declaration of Independence, and not slave ownership.

Declaration of Independence: A Transcription (1333 words)

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript

Jefferson's "original Rough draught" of the Declaration of Independence (1704 words)

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/declara/ruffdrft.html

British prohibit abolition of Slavery

https://books.google.com/books?id=VqVzeHFaa1QC&pg=PA132&lpg=PA132&dq=%22slave+trade%22+virginia+%22privy+council%22&source=bl&ots=KHnj2vqxY5&sig=14kubMg1qCFRlTvKLSy4KaaQW5Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjg0O7MktTaAhUOEqwKHecgAKs4ChDoAQg3MAU#v=onepage&q=%22slave%20trade%22%20virginia%20%22privy%20council%22&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=VqVzeHFaa1QC&pg=PA131&lpg=PA131&dq=%22Virginia%27s+assembly+intended+to+prohibit+absolutely+the+slave+trade%22&source=bl&ots=KHtn4vrw53&sig=ACfU3U2KtJ7zBW7UvBdAiDKcSZdZS9_JrA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjryd310aDpAhVEPawKHQq-CzMQ6AEwAHoECAEQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Virginia's%20assembly%20intended%20to%20prohibit%20absolutely%20the%20slave%20trade%22&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=VqVzeHFaa1QC&pg=PA134&lpg=PA134&dq=remove+all+Restraints+on+your+Majesty%27s+Governors+of+this+Colony,+which+inhibit+their+assenting+to+such+laws+as+might+check+so+very+pernicious+a+Commerce&source=bl&ots=KHtn4vrAY5&sig=ACfU3U01RHw9Q-T8NgyY1rvOP91TiYigDg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj3gMKK06DpAhUmnq0KHfnMA_MQ6AEwBnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=remove%20all%20Restraints%20on%20your%20Majesty's%20Governors%20of%20this%20Colony%2C%20which%20inhibit%20their%20assenting%20to%20such%20laws%20as%20might%20check%20so%20very%20pernicious%20a%20Commerce&f=false

The Virginia Slavery Debate of 1831-1832

https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Virginia_Slavery_Debate_of_1831-1832_The

Timeline of abolition of slavery and serfdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom#1701–1799_(Late_Modern)

13 Colonies Population (1710 - 1770)

http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/thirteen-colonies/

12 posted on 01/05/2022 7:48:43 PM PST by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Actually, throwing off a US government that has become tyrannical is sanctioned by the US Constitution via the very reason for the Second Amendment and supported and verified by our Founder’s arguments they made to adopt it as the Law of the Land. Our Founding Fathers see the defense of our Constitution as our duty as Americans!


13 posted on 01/05/2022 8:02:41 PM PST by drypowder
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

If the Left continues the push towards a violent civil war, we need to get discussion for a peaceful divorce to grow.

If that does not work, we go to war and WIN.


14 posted on 01/05/2022 8:10:44 PM PST by Sapwolf (Talkers are usually more articulate than doers, since talk is their specialty. -Sowell)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

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15 posted on 01/05/2022 9:01:21 PM PST by sauropod (Resident Bidet. A confused old man at the wrong bus stop.)
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To: captain_dave

I thought it was just 3%?


16 posted on 01/05/2022 9:11:16 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team sco uts photo-op locations.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The Satanic vermin “in charge” of the federal government are not just enemies of We The People, but they are also enemies of Almighty God.

Read Jesus Christ’s discussion points in John 8:44 if confused.


17 posted on 01/05/2022 9:11:38 PM PST by Prole
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To: SheepWhisperer

Today that would be about 10-13 million people.


18 posted on 01/05/2022 9:13:53 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team sco uts photo-op locations.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

“When, in the course of human events...”

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

—Thomas Jefferson


19 posted on 01/05/2022 11:03:39 PM PST by Basket_of_Deplorables (Convention Of States is our only hope now! Desantis 2024!!!)
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To: Retain Mike

Declaration of Independence: A Transcription (1333 words)

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript

Jefferson’s “original Rough draught” of the Declaration of Independence (1704 words)

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/declara/ruffdrft.html

British prohibit abolition of Slavery

https://books.google.com/books?id=VqVzeHFaa1QC&pg=PA132&lpg=PA132&dq=%22slave+trade%22+virginia+%22privy+council%22&source=bl&ots=KHnj2vqxY5&sig=14kubMg1qCFRlTvKLSy4KaaQW5Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjg0O7MktTaAhUOEqwKHecgAKs4ChDoAQg3MAU#v=onepage&q=%22slave%20trade%22%20virginia%20%22privy%20council%22&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=VqVzeHFaa1QC&pg=PA131&lpg=PA131&dq=%22Virginia%27s+assembly+intended+to+prohibit+absolutely+the+slave+trade%22&source=bl&ots=KHtn4vrw53&sig=ACfU3U2KtJ7zBW7UvBdAiDKcSZdZS9_JrA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjryd310aDpAhVEPawKHQq-CzMQ6AEwAHoECAEQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Virginia‘s%20assembly%20intended%20to%20prohibit%20absolutely%20the%20slave%20trade%22&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=VqVzeHFaa1QC&pg=PA134&lpg=PA134&dq=remove+all+Restraints+on+your+Majesty%27s+Governors+of+this+Colony,+which+inhibit+their+assenting+to+such+laws+as+might+check+so+very+pernicious+a+Commerce&source=bl&ots=KHtn4vrAY5&sig=ACfU3U01RHw9Q-T8NgyY1rvOP91TiYigDg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj3gMKK06DpAhUmnq0KHfnMA_MQ6AEwBnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=remove%20all%20Restraints%20on%20your%20Majesty‘s%20Governors%20of%20this%20Colony%2C%20which%20inhibit%20their%20assenting%20to%20such%20laws%20as%20might%20check%20so%20very%20pernicious%20a%20Commerce&f=false

The Virginia Slavery Debate of 1831-1832

https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Virginia_Slavery_Debate_of_1831-1832_The

Timeline of abolition of slavery and serfdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom#1701–1799_(Late_Modern)

13 Colonies Population (1710 - 1770)

http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/thirteen-colonies/


20 posted on 01/06/2022 4:08:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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