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To: monkeyshine

The population of Gaza supports Hamas the was DC supports democrats. 92% plus.


11 posted on 04/25/2024 11:58:07 AM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: DesertRhino

Yes that is a problem but it’s a very involved problem. Hamas rose to prominence many decades ago as an aid group for the poor. They did not have a militant armed wing. That changed obviously though I’m not sure exactly when. And after Oslo failed and the intifada of 1999-2002, violence became the norm. Hamas grew much more popular because of the failings of the PLO/PA. The PLO was corrupt and stole from the people while Hamas still had this image of being a social support organization. So they voted Hamas into power. Hamas then went hog wild. They do not allow dissent, they jail, torture or kill their opponents. So of course 92% support them. That 8% risk their lives just answering the question incorrectly.

So I see at least two tracks here. First Israel has to capture or kill as many Hamas as possible to gut their projection of power. It is incredibly hard because Israel was derelict for 20 years allowing Hamas to build and harden defenses inside dense civilian populations and sensitive sites. Second, the people have to see an alternative path. They will support Hamas until supporting them is futile. It won’t be easy because Hamas has raised a generation on hate and war. But there are some glimmers of hope. Other than Iran and maybe some wealthy people in Qatar, none of these Middle East countries want Hamas style ideology to spread. Their silence to date is deafening. Other than the perfunctory speech, and some aid air drops in coordination with the IDF not many seem to care if Israel annihilates Hamas. Just like they wanted Al Queda and Isis destroyed. There is no future for these countries if they are perceived as hotbeds of terror. Egypt has had buses of tourists bombed etc. So at some point when the dust settles I really hope there is a full court press on the Palestinians by US, EU, and the Arab world that continued support is contingent on them settling their dispute with Israel. Biden’s and others’ talk about a Palestinian state is premature at this point.

The Palestinians remain their own worst enemy but the only choices are remove them - which would be genocide - or convert them to an ideology of peace, an ideology where they build a society for their own future instead of with a goal of taking someone else’s future. It has worked with Egypt and Jordan - those are cold peace but peace nonetheless. It was the main driver behind the Abraham accords those countries decided it was in their interests to focus on themselves and not against Israel or letting the whimsical and violent PLO/Hamas dictate their foreign policy. The Palestinians need Israel much more because Israel is their only path towards prosperity. It has always been theirs to take but they constantly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory because their leaders just can’t get their heads around the idea of accepting a Jewish sovereign state in the region.


20 posted on 04/25/2024 12:52:58 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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