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New Biden climate rules could shutter remaining American coal plants
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | April 26, 2024 | Lisa Friedman and Coral Davenport

Posted on 04/26/2024 9:01:24 AM PDT by packagingguy

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To: packagingguy

Biden wants the US to stop watering it’s lawn while the rest of the countries of the world water their lawn’s 24 hours a day ,LOL


41 posted on 04/26/2024 10:36:30 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: Rinnwald

Exactly. The same way an outdoor cookout affects the climate. Totally meaningless and completely insignificant.


42 posted on 04/26/2024 10:36:36 AM PDT by volare737 (Diversity is something to be overcome, not celebrated.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Between 1999 and 2008 I created a research onboard continuous monitoring system for coal cars that ran between the Powder River Basin (WY) and the Miller Steam Plant in Alabama. The reason for the monitoring was to detect wear patterns on the cars and allow owners to schedule maintenance in their own shops instead of paying high rates for emergency repairs by outside suppliers. The monitoring system had a bearing generator made by Timken for power and tachometer pulses to read speed. Each bearing had an accelerometer rated to 100 KHz @ +/- 80g made by Wilcoxon Research. Each bearing had a thermal sensor. A tri-axial accelerometer was placed under each bolster to monitor ride quality. A brake piston position indicator provider ability to detect if the brakes were set or not. A GPS provided time , position and doppler speed. A 1XRTT modem from Kyocera provided data network connectivity back to my server in Falls Church, VA. An 802.11b WiFi device running an OLSR mesh network provided full connectivity for all cars back to a monitor in the locomotive. Later versions included actuator control for the handbrake, angle-cock valves and coupler cut levers. I published a few papers with ASME-IEEE and one at the 10th International CAN Conference detailing the system.

January 20th, 2009 around 4 PM I received notification that sponsorship and funding of the project via the Federal Railroad Administration had been cut. Obama had been inaugurated and this was the first casualty. I had to notify 46 vendors. Over $1 million in equipment was abandoned in the field. Not a penny was offered to recover the project hardware. Some of it remains in my basement to this day. Within a year of this cut, my colleague died from melanoma that had invaded his spine. It was a sad demise of a very successful effort for rail safety for the FRA.

43 posted on 04/26/2024 10:51:01 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I am currently in the energy industry I just looked Texas RRCOT grid right now is 62% of total demand powered by wind, solar , nuclear in those orders of percent delivered on a 15 second refresh. Coal is 9% , natural gas is 29% as of 30 seconds ago.

Last night at 0025 wind peaked out at 25,200 megawatts and 55% dwarfing everything else, natural gas was 27% , nuclear 8% and coal 9%.

Wind hit it’s lull at 0924 this morning with 16800 megawatts at 34% and NG at 31%. This was not due to a fall off of wind power available because solar ramped up to it plateau at that very instant gaining 3000 megawatt in under 30 minutes you can watch the wind power drop by a one for one megawatt amount that’s curtailment. there was too much wind as solar ramped up and solar has priority over wind power on the grid. Gas was not curtailed because solar and wind share high voltage lines from West Texas it’s a line capacity issue not availability of resources.

Point is Texas is and has been a wind dominated grid for a while now. Texas is the number one wind producer in the nation and had the largest installed capacity anywhere fora single entity. Every megawatt of wind on the grid is 18 million BTU of natural gas that gets saved for another day in the future since wind and gas are fundamentally linked for now. Texas also has 5800 megawatts of power storage online committed this month that number grows nearly every month now. You can watch the power storage curves this morning 1500 megawatts was being added to the grid right before the sun came up that’s equal one of the four nuclear reactors on the grid, once the sun came up you can see the power storage curves go negative as ERCOT was shunting over a gigawatt from solar back to the energy storage systems. Tesla is making megapacks with shipping container sized modules on the regular now.

On a local note it’s storming pretty good right now mosty overcast but my panels are still making 2500 watts in the storms they have yet to go to zero even in 15 inch per hour rain fall rates. We just had 1.3 inch hail as well I picked up a couple of chunks off the back deck not worried the panels have a hail rating well above 2” hail. Last big hail storms we had the only undamaged part of the roof was under the panels how’s that for irony. Thin film cells just flex with the hail there is no hard glass layers to break it’s thin film of flexible gorilla glass like a cell phone screen protector but much stronger.


44 posted on 04/26/2024 11:27:23 AM PDT by GenXPolymath
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To: OHPatriot

C’mon, man! That’s pretty harsh.

At least give ‘em a pointy stick, and a loincloth.


45 posted on 04/26/2024 11:48:32 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: nesnah

Your number for natural gas which is 97% methane is backwards the chemical formula for methane is CH4 so it’s 75% hydrogen 25% carbon by mole. The rest is ethane,nitrogen,argon,and CO2 at pipeline grade must be less than 3% of the gasses. Even ethane is C2H8 also a 2/8=1/4 ratio of carbon to hydrogen.

For coal carbon content doesn’t take into account that coal has a significant amount of ash. Most power coal in the USA is Subbituminous coal you need to look at it’s chemical composition not it’s carbon content. Here is a typical power coal from one of the largest us coal mines.

Subbituminous coal (PSOC 1488) from the Dietz seam in Montana, U.S.A. was used. The coal contains 76.56% C, 5.27% H, 0.95% N, and 17.22% O (dmmf).

Coal will always make more CO2 per megawatt hour it’s just chemistry of solid carbon based fuel vs gaseous carbon based fuel. Coal is also loaded with sulfur and that nitrogen will form NOx when you burn it even in a pure oxygen burner aka oxyfired boiler. Both SOx and NOx are real pollution which must be reduced to ppm levels in the flue gas. Coal also contains heavy metals that at coal combustion temps form volatile vapors that also must be reduced to ppm levels or less. There is no safe exposure level for lead zero is always better than even ppb levels. Even the most advanced scrubbers in the world barely get to ppm levels. The only way to burn coal and have it not put out SOx,NOx and mercury vapor is to use gasification plant tech turn the coal to syngas then run it through a analytically clean gas clean up train then burn the deeply scrubbed gas in a gas turbine with low NOx burners so atmospheric N2 doesn’t form NOx. If you are burning gas you might as well just skip the gasification plant and gas clean up because natural gas from the ground will always be cleaner than coal syngas given equal gas clean up trains.

The EPA is technology agnostic they simply say you are allowed to emit X grams per kWh or X ppm per 1000 cubic feet of flue gas of each of the criteria pollutants SOx,NOx,particulate matter,mercury ect. How a plant gets to those limits is up to them. Use scribbers, use gasification or change fuels but hit the limits or shut down. So coal must meet the limits that gas turbines hit with ease.allowing coal to pollute while clear tech and power systems are available is not going to happen anymore society said no we don’t want SOx and NOx making our rain acidic no we would like to eat the fish out of our lake house lakes and not have them be full of mercury. My lake house you cannot eat the fish because the watershed was in the stack gas ashfall plume of a coal plant for 40+ years. The levels of mercury in the fish are so high not even a single portion is safe to eat my an adult male which is ten times the limit for breeding age females.

SMU came in and did the isotopic analysis for where the mercury came from it was directly linked by isotope to the coal plants ashfall into the watershed. This is why coal will never be allowed to be burnt directly to the sky ever again in the USA that era is over and rightly so it’s best left in the dust bin of history. Clean coal tech exists ask Mitsubishi for their gasification tech they are the world leaders in it but even then there is still ppm levels of heavy metal vapors in the syngas th at for a right up the stacks.


46 posted on 04/26/2024 11:55:24 AM PDT by GenXPolymath
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To: packagingguy

The idea very generally, I think, was to cripple the ability for America to have an industrial base, or any sort or self-sufficiency in terms of energy or minerals, etc. It also ties in with the ability to project power or wage war. Whole swaths of industries are practically extinct already in the US. This has been a long term project, over many decades.

Coal is “interesting” because America is basically the Saudi Arabia of Coal. Huge multi-hundred year deposits of very high quality coal, as well as untold deposits in high quality shale. We’re talking hundreds and hundreds of years worth. These deposits were all sniffed out in the 1940s through the 1970s.

Not un-coincidentally many areas are now incorporated by the federal government, or under “wilderness study”, or declared a monument, anything to prevent any resource extraction whatsoever. In my more uncharitable moments my calculation is these energy-killing endeavors under the guise of the “environment” have been designed for this purpose from the start, or at least re-purposed. Think the post world war 2 plan for Germany - “The Morgenthau Plan” of austerity and de-industrialization, to cripple them permanently.

That’s what it looks like, if you squint, don’t it?


47 posted on 04/26/2024 11:57:19 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: packagingguy

2039 is LONG AFTER BIDEN will be worm food.

Almost ALL power east of the MISSISSIPPI is provided by COAL.


48 posted on 04/26/2024 12:05:20 PM PDT by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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To: Democrat = party of treason

The worldwide usage of coal continue to increase. The only time its usage went down was during covid. When China shut down many of its factories.

The difference is that for every plant they close in the USA or Europe they open two in developing countries.
India is now the largest import consumer of US coal.
China is second.

The increase of burning other carbon based fuels has also continued to increase. Petroleum, Propane, Natural Gas, all are increasing.
So, as we go away from burning these, other countries are increasing more than we decrease.
We are just shifting it to the developing countries.


49 posted on 04/26/2024 12:12:03 PM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: packagingguy

Two lies in the first paragraph.

Impressive ...


50 posted on 04/26/2024 12:13:13 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: packagingguy

So far, there are no Biden casualties in the Obama war on coal.

There needs to be some progressive blood shed


51 posted on 04/26/2024 12:14:21 PM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Hamascide is required in totality)
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To: GenXPolymath

Your number for natural gas which is 97% methane is backwards the chemical formula for methane is CH4 so it’s 75% hydrogen 25% carbon by mole. The rest is ethane,nitrogen,argon,and CO2 at pipeline grade must be less than 3% of the gasses. Even ethane is C2H8 also a 2/8=1/4 ratio of carbon to hydrogen.


By weight. [rolls eyes]

Did you just finish CH101?


52 posted on 04/26/2024 12:17:24 PM PDT by nesnah (Infringe - act so as to limit or undermine [something]; encroach on)
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To: Dalberg-Acton

The FOSSIL is eliminating Fossil fuels


53 posted on 04/26/2024 12:20:31 PM PDT by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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To: Democrat = party of treason

MAXINE WATERS will encourage China to run power lines to the USA.


54 posted on 04/26/2024 12:22:10 PM PDT by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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To: from occupied ga

THEY were happy if they could travel 10 miles a DAY.


55 posted on 04/26/2024 12:23:20 PM PDT by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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To: oldtech

CO2 is only 0.04% of the atmosphere.
The commie wikipedia says “This is an increase of 50% since the start of the Industrial Revolution”. As if they know what it was at the start of the Industrial Revolution.


56 posted on 04/26/2024 12:25:59 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: ridesthemiles

I believe Colorado Springs gets only 5 percent of its electricity from solar/wind. The rest comes from coal/natural gas.


57 posted on 04/26/2024 12:31:01 PM PDT by Hootowl
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To: packagingguy

>>New Biden climate rules could shutter remaining American coal plants<<

New Biden climate rules will shutter America.


58 posted on 04/26/2024 1:01:10 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Dalberg-Acton

Only anti-American POTUS we ever had and there are those who want him to run again.

Incomprehensible.


59 posted on 04/26/2024 1:08:41 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: GenXPolymath

Thanks for the summary of Texas power...I live in San Antonio.


60 posted on 04/26/2024 1:32:44 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (NRA Life Member)
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