Posted on 04/26/2024 2:04:38 PM PDT by Twotone
And just what kind of argument is that against the premise that the Constitution is based upon belief in God? Just where do you think that the principles it expresses came from? Atheism? What kind of Justice and the Blessings of Liberty? Did the Founders operate out of a vacuum? How many were atheists, versus men who supported basic Biblical values and its principle of separation of powers on the federal level?
What states did they censure for affirming God?
Many of whom expressly affirmed the Bible, even if not all were Christians.
See HISTORICAL QUOTES IN CONTRAST
"Religion" to the Founders was not a "resolutely non-theistic" fraternal organization (the Satanic Temple, basically a preforming arts and political org.), "which does not even endorse supernatural (or 'supernormal') explanations...".
Yet since the IRS granted religious tax-exempt status to them, then not only must every US state gov. allow them religious rights and protections, but it opens the door for all sorts of secular org. claiming religious. Which means that neither the IRS or SCOTUS ruled consistent with what the Founders had in mind a religion.
It is a secular document. It is not a Christian document.
Yes, indeed. If not platinum.
There is this however.....
Declaration of Independence
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript
Which I know you are going to argue is not the Constitution but the Constitution was set up to establish the government that was formed from this document.
The kind of atheistic worldview that is espoused today that uses that kind of argument to divorce it from it’s beginning did not exist in the days our government was established.
And still……not the constitution. Not the law of the land. Government determining which ‘religion’ is valid or official is expressly forbidden in the constitution. No matter how loud one is on the subject.
Agreed!
And so a secular document and a secular government does not make and uphold laws that are based upon beliefs, which often vary btwn cultures? Today the left believes gender is fluid. In Communism guilt can be dismissed as simply an emotion if needed.
What influences were behind the meaning of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Of liberty with limits? In some cultures, treachery is a virtue, or honor killing, or suicide.
Just what was the most singular esteemed influential historical source of the Founders overall, as well as that of many other sources?
Where did American laws flow from, and where in turn did those flow from?
The point is that there is no strict separation of belief and state, and the latter requires obedience to actions based upon beliefs, including what rights one should have an d when they should have them. Are the unborn a protected class, and should homosexuals be so based upon how they feel and act?
Based upon the influences behind the Founder's judgment, would they think a resolutely non-theistic, secular org. be a religion? Would they affirm the beliefs-based wokeism of today?
Wow. Get some rest.
I was angry with DeSantis during the primaries, BUT, RON IS STILL A GOOD AMERICAN AND I LOVE HIS DEVOTION TO HIS CONSTITUENTS.
Eventually, I will support him when President Trump has done ALL HE CAN DO TO MAKE MAGA WORK.
The Constitution is to regulate us, not God.
The Declaration of Independence preceded the Constitution, and He most certainly is acknowledged, four times:
Creator
Nature’s God
Supreme Judge
divine Providence
I did, thank God, but a forum is a place of exchange of ideas, and in which there is often an ideology behind even certain statements in issues as this, and which invites investigation and debate. This thread is about the basis for the Satanic Temple being classed as a religion, and a statement that only seems to be akin to the ACLU provokes challenging. At least you could explain your position.
Is the brain mentioned in the Constitution?
No, but the concept of the brain is presumed throughout. The Constitution is thus founded on the concept of the brain.
And the Constitution is founded even more directly on the concept of God, via the principle of rights.
That’s true except in the case of those who worship the devil.
Funny, my Constitution doesn’t include any explicit statements about satanism.
However, its entire body is founded on the idea of opposing satanism.
Your brain analogy is silly and will be ignored.
The influences on the bill of rights were from many different places, both secular and religious. The concept of human rights and rule of law goes back thousands of years and hundreds of years before Paul wrote his version.
The US didn’t perfect human rights in their founding documents either, as it made allowances for slavery is one example.
The constitution explicitly states there is no national religion. The type of Christianity practiced by most people who claim the constitution is their work didn’t even exist then.
It is not yours or your version of Christianity to claim. It gives you the freedom to worship as you choose, but no special right to enforce it on others or claim ownership.
“Devil Worship” and “Church of/LaVeyan Satanistm” are 2 different things.
I was trying to help you understand that some concepts are so properly basic that they can’t be removed from the matter at hand.
The concept of God in our Constitution is such a properly basic concept. Another is logic itself. I’m fairly confident you wouldn’t try to say logic doesn’t belong in the Constitution.
God is more fundamental than logic, because logic comes from God.
One of the first sacraments satanism is the act of lying. This causes the devil and his followers to pretend to be something other than what they are.
An example of this deceptiveness is when any given “church of satan” pretends to be “not devil worship.”
But when lying is your first principle, the price you eventually pay is your credibility.
When you believe god created everything of course you would have that view, unless the topic dispenses you, then blame satan.
That is not a rational argument and does not belong in American policy decisions.
Your religious beliefs do not make you special.
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