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While U.S. Debates Free Speech, Pro-Hamas Rhetoric in France Is a Crime
WSJ ^ | 5/4/2024 | MIGUEL MEDINA

Posted on 05/05/2024 9:51:30 AM PDT by logi_cal869

Protests roiling U.S. universities have ignited a fierce debate over where to set the limit between acceptable criticism of Israel and speech that encourages antisemitism and violence.

In France, government authorities are stepping in to draw the line. Courts have ruled that public speech condoning the Oct. 7 attack or legitimizing Hamas as a resistance movement amounts to condoning terrorism—a crime under French law, punishable by up to seven years in prison. French prosecutors are investigating politicians on the far-left, union officials and hundreds of other people for allegedly condoning terrorism and inciting antisemitism since October.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; France; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: france; hamas; leftists; protests
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Sub-headline: Prosecutors are investigating far-left politicians, union officials and others for condoning terrorism after the Oct. 7 attack

Meanwhile, across the pond - ironically - pigs fly as French leaders seem to finally awaken from their self-imposed idiocy while here in the U.S. our leaders wring their hands for political expediency and expose foreign influence.

This report astonished me.

Paywall at source; full article reprint/rewrite with different author (microsoft plagiarism???) below at msn:

While U.S. Debates Free Speech, Pro-Hamas Rhetoric in France Is a Crime

1 posted on 05/05/2024 9:51:30 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: logi_cal869

“Pro-Hamas Rhetoric in France is a Crime.” The French will have to lock-up every last muslim.


2 posted on 05/05/2024 9:56:29 AM PDT by EvilCapitalist (Pets are no substitute for children)
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To: logi_cal869

I’ll take Free Speech every time. It’s good to know who the a-holes are.


3 posted on 05/05/2024 9:57:11 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: logi_cal869

We don’t debate free speech. We recognize it as the most important thing in the world. Without it a country is a dictatorship. What’s astonishing is that you think this is a good idea. The cure to bad speech is good speech, not less speech. If the government can outlaw that then it can outlaw YOU. Never support it. I WANT people to support Hamas, because it means I’m free to say what I want. And it lets the idiots out themselves.


4 posted on 05/05/2024 9:58:47 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: logi_cal869

Well that’s good! Vive les French!

Next step is to kick them all out.


5 posted on 05/05/2024 10:01:48 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Delusionary people should not be given power over normal people.)
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To: logi_cal869

It should be as well. Specifically, HAMAS is a US-recognized terrorist organization. Giving aid and comfort to them, money or otherwise, is a crime. Protesters supporting them, flying their flag, wearing their headbands, shouting ‘Death to America’ while doing so, committing acts of violence, riot, and more, should be arrested and treated as enemy combatants, prosecuted to the full extent of the law.


6 posted on 05/05/2024 10:03:10 AM PDT by Reno89519 (If Biden is mentally unfit to stand trial, he is mentally unfit to be president. He needs to resign.)
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First they came for the Pro-Hamas speech.......


7 posted on 05/05/2024 10:03:11 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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Giving aid and comfort to them, money

Mere words is not giving aid and comfort.

8 posted on 05/05/2024 10:04:04 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: logi_cal869
Biden actually said the right things this week, even if late and, sadly, without supporting actions:

“Destroying property is not a peaceful protest. It's against the law.

Vandalism, trespassing, breaking windows, shutting down campuses, forcing the cancellation of classes and graduations - none of this is a peaceful protest.

Threatening people, intimidating people, instilling fear in people is not peaceful protest. It's against the law.

Dissent is essential to democracy. But dissent must never lead to disorder or to denying the rights of others...

There's the right to protest but not the right to cause chaos.

People have the right to get an education, the right to get a degree, the right to walk across the campus safely without fear of being attacked.

But let's be clear about this as well. There should be no place on any campus, no place in America for antisemitism or threats of violence against Jewish students. There is no place for hate speech or violence of any kind, whether it's antisemitism, Islamophobia, or discrimination against Arab Americans or Palestinian Americans.

It's simply wrong. There is no place for racism in America. It's all wrong. It's un-American.”

9 posted on 05/05/2024 10:05:47 AM PDT by Reno89519 (If Biden is mentally unfit to stand trial, he is mentally unfit to be president. He needs to resign.)
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By themselves, sure you can write "I support HAMAS" but to then go advocate "Death to America" in support of HAMAS is maybe over the line? And beyond words, if you occupy public or private property (a school, a street) and disrupt others, is that legal or actionable? What if you indirectly or directly cause injury or damage, is that legal or actionable?

Words of support, okay, words calling for action, no, anything beyond words, no.

10 posted on 05/05/2024 10:09:32 AM PDT by Reno89519 (If Biden is mentally unfit to stand trial, he is mentally unfit to be president. He needs to resign.)
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And beyond words, if you occupy public or private property (a school, a street) and disrupt others, is that legal or actionable? What if you indirectly or directly cause injury or damage, is that legal or actionable?

Of course.

11 posted on 05/05/2024 10:11:03 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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Not over the line. Actually kind of the point. The fist half of the bill of rights is a recipe for revolution. They are there so that, if necessary, we can over throw the government. We MUST be able to chant “death to America” in case America needs to die.


12 posted on 05/05/2024 10:15:03 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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We MUST be able to chant “death to America” in case America needs to die.

"If this be treason, make the most of it!"

-- Somebody famous (May 30, 1765)

"Baaah! Baaah!"

-- Most Americans (nowadays)

13 posted on 05/05/2024 10:39:03 AM PDT by DSH
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...and a few brave Americans ask What are "fighting words"? I observe the general consensus is anything that is not a direct personal threat causing fear of injury or death is perfectly fine. But is that really true, both that statement and the severe limitation it puts on us? I can't stop someone from tearing down the American flag hanging at my house? Or defacing the flag on my truck? Or spitting on me?

What about those janitors at Columbia held hostage? In my opinion they could and should have gone postal and killed every involve protesting terrorist that was holding them hostage. That'd be okay, right?

14 posted on 05/05/2024 10:47:07 AM PDT by Reno89519 (If Biden is mentally unfit to stand trial, he is mentally unfit to be president. He needs to resign.)
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To: logi_cal869

I bet some FReepers would love for “antisemitism” to be a crime.


15 posted on 05/05/2024 10:58:25 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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"Talk is cheap."


16 posted on 05/05/2024 10:58:34 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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Somebody going after your flag is theft, trespassing, and possibly vandalism. Somebody going after your car is vandalism. Spitting on you is assault. The janitors were kidnapped.

Somebody chanting death to America in the street and not doing any of those things is exercising their 1st Amendment rights.

We have the absolute right in America to say the government sucks. As an added bonus at no point in American history has it taken more than 20 minutes to figure a way the government is sucking.


17 posted on 05/05/2024 10:59:20 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: discostu
We don’t debate free speech.

The left DOES and seeks to further erode the USC until it's a hollow shell awaiting a new, Bill Ayers-ghost-written document presented by zero himself (when the time comes).

With the left-dominated media - and the party in power - in the US, the headline is factually correct.

18 posted on 05/05/2024 11:01:17 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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Thus the left showing they are a problem. Don’t become just like them by thinking we should ban ANY speech. The headline is factually STUPID. We’re BETTER than France because we allow free speech.


19 posted on 05/05/2024 11:04:56 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: logi_cal869

Kill them not for what they say but because they are terrorists.


20 posted on 05/05/2024 11:14:43 AM PDT by Salman (It's not a slippery slope if it was part of the program all along. )
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