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Conservatives are fighting guaranteed basic income programs using a surprising argument: They aren't universal
Business Insider ^ | May 19, 2024 | Kenneth Niemeyer, Katie Balevic, and Peter Gelling

Posted on 05/19/2024 4:48:10 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?

Legal challenges by conservative lawmakers and activists against guaranteed basic income programs are heating up nationwide. And one of their arguments is surprising: Some say the programs are discriminatory because they are not universal.

Numerous cities and counties are experimenting with guaranteed basic incomes to support their most vulnerable populations. They typically offer no-strings-attached monthly payments between $500 and $1,000 to specific groups, like new moms, Black women, or trans people, all of them low-income residents.

Guaranteed basic income programs differ from their idealistic cousin — a universal basic income. UBI, made famous by Andrew Yang during the 2016 presidential election, would provide a monthly payment to all citizens. The theory is simple: A rising tide lifts all boats.

The idea has gained new traction after the success of federal pandemic-era financial support, which experts say prevented about 12 million people from falling into poverty. Some have also embraced the potential of a basic income as a remedy for the rise of AI, which could threaten job security for many Americans. OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said his own study on basic income would be released soon......

The group's lawsuit similarly argues that several of the city's basic income programs are discriminatory because they "unlawfully" choose candidates based on "race, ethnicity, gender/gender identity, and sexual orientation."......

That lawsuit mainly targets The Abundant Birth Project, which gives pregnant Black women $1,000 monthly payments for a year........

"I don't think it'll ever work," she said. "At the end of the day, the taxpayer hurts. It's not the government's money. It's our money."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: parasites; poor; socialism; welfare
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With 3 authors you'd think BI could put more thought into this article, there are major fallacies with these plans that are not mentioned:

- What is the incentive for people to get off this program? None!!! They become permanent parasites, socialist voters, and more broken families.

- Every time a basic income is set it becomes not enough. Just like the Cal $20 minimum wage, prices go up and that "guaranteed income" becomes insufficient.

To put it in the words of a friend of mine, it becomes a self-eating watermelon.

And of course this a racist article based on the capitalization of "Black".

1 posted on 05/19/2024 4:48:10 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Sure sounds like a conservative argument


2 posted on 05/19/2024 5:01:51 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

“A rising tide WOULD raise all boats if it weren’t for all the people punching holes in the bottoms” L.Star


3 posted on 05/19/2024 5:04:34 AM PDT by Qwapisking ("IF the Second goes first the First goes second" L.Star )
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
That lawsuit mainly targets The Abundant Birth Project, which gives pregnant Black women $1,000 monthly payments for a year …

Conservatives oppose it because it’s a blatant violation of U.S. civil rights law. Imagine that.

4 posted on 05/19/2024 5:05:45 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

The NAZI party gained popularity in part by promising free health care and welfare checks.


5 posted on 05/19/2024 5:09:31 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Tell It Right

But mostly, the NAZI’s promised to Make Germany Great Again.

Trump has the high ground here


6 posted on 05/19/2024 5:14:43 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Hamascide is required in totality)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
The theory is simple: A rising tide lifts all boats.

The reality is simple: The rising tide leads to rising inflation eventually sinking the boats

7 posted on 05/19/2024 5:15:04 AM PDT by TheCipher ( RINO politicians in DC are the only reptiles in the world with no backbone)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

I never really understand any of this thinking.

On the one hand, if they could wave a magic wand and just hand everyone an annual income of (what number to pick? $75,000?) then I suppose almost everyone could sit at home and write poetry. I don’t know how that would work, and I do think that the Devil makes work for idle hands. But, hey, Basic Income for everyone.

But they never propose that. Instead, they try to throw a $1000 monthly bribe at some people. What’s the point, really? You can’t live on $12,000 a year. You still need to work and build a career. Nothing really changes. But the government is tossing “free money” into the system, pumping up inflation. So I don’t think the plan fixes anything — it really just makes things worse.


8 posted on 05/19/2024 5:16:31 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (It's not "Quiet Quitting" -- it's "Going Galt".)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

“Universal income” plans worked so well in East Germany and are working so well in North Korea.


9 posted on 05/19/2024 5:18:57 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Proudly Clinging To My Guns And My Religion)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

UBI is the most profoundly stupid thing the left has ever created.


10 posted on 05/19/2024 5:21:59 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Voltaire: To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

How about this - you get paid what you and your employer agree is a fair wage. If you don’t want to work, you don’t eat. Enough of this commie BS already.


11 posted on 05/19/2024 5:28:01 AM PDT by meyer ("When, in the course of human events,....")
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
a monthly payment to all citizens. The theory is simple: A rising tide lifts all boats.

Based upon the logic that providing more welfare with no requirements (aside from PC status) will lift more out of poverty to purchase more goods, then why not provide even more money, and lift all out of the middle class and purchase more goods?

Because in the end, this welfare, which is money and goods without any product or requirement toward being productive and self-sufficient - increases inflation and the Ntl. debt and cost of living for all, thus requiring more income.

12 posted on 05/19/2024 5:28:40 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The thinking is simple— buying votes. Start small, keep adding people to the rolls, until you are buying enough votes to comfortably win every densely populated region, hence statewide and national elections.


13 posted on 05/19/2024 5:29:06 AM PDT by LambSlave
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To: I want the USA back

They did not create it. They merely renamed what is actually a basic communist thought.


14 posted on 05/19/2024 5:29:23 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Hamascide is required in totality)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Governmental limitations (PPACA part time exemption, overtime pay requirements) on working hours need to be removed.

Scheduling and transport problems mean second jobs are difficult for many people to get and hold down.


15 posted on 05/19/2024 5:30:44 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

$1000.00/mo. = $12000.00, right?

the present U.S. poverty ‘line’ is $26,000.00.

so ewho exactly is getting a hand up, thee people, or the new administraative bureaucrats on their new job?


16 posted on 05/19/2024 5:32:18 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: TheCipher

It just looks like a tide.

It’s a tsunami.


17 posted on 05/19/2024 5:59:17 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

It is simple. The rulers buying votes.


18 posted on 05/19/2024 6:03:20 AM PDT by Shady (The Force of Liberty must prevail for the sake of our Children and Grandchildren...)
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To: Qwapisking

The tide is not rising when you take water from one end of the pool and put it in the other end.

EC


19 posted on 05/19/2024 6:07:42 AM PDT by Ex-Con777
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To: Terry L Smith

Some (probably MANY) are now living below the poverty line & if certain things are in place, it can be done....just not in all cases. Now if everyone got at least $26 grand a year & were working for it, things might be different. I can’t see that ever happening. There would still be the haves & the have-nots.


20 posted on 05/19/2024 6:08:44 AM PDT by oldtech
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