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To: Lady In Blue
There is something about all this that just don't add up. Everyone wants to immediately point the finger at islamic fundamentalism as the blame for these terrorist attacks, but I really wonder about that. Perhaps once the dust settles, some of our experts may be able to explain some things:

1. While it may be possible, I think its highly unlikely that any terrorist organization can pull off hijacking four airliners from three major airports at relatively the same time, given the type of controls that are in place at airports throughout the nation.

2. No single hijacker can take charge of an airliner and control the people in the coach and the pilot, second pilot and possibly the flight navigator, in the cockpit at the same time. And NO pilot will take an order from a hijacker to intentionally ram his plane into any building.

3. Being that all flights are tracked by radar from its point of origin to its desination, who sounded an alarm when either of these planes were found to be deviating from its assigned flight path?

There is something about this that smells to high heaven. I wonder what this distraction was created for?

16 posted on 09/11/2001 1:46:35 PM PDT by RoarNLion
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To: RoarNLion
All good questions.

One has to look at the attributes of the attack and what it would have taken to carry this out.

Somehow whatever hardware was used to "hijack" the planes would have had to have been gotten onto the planes past security. People are making a lot of assumptions about what this hardware was (guns in the hands of wild-eyed fanatical humans, where somehow the guns and the fanatical humans got on the planes past airport security) which haven't been backed up by anything yet reported. What if there was no human terrorist on the planes and they were commandeered by remote control? Crazy tin-hat idea, but it's been a crazy day.

And they would have needed someone who could fly the planes with some precision - whether on or off the plane - to be sure of success. A pilot isn't going to obligingly fly the plane into a large civilian target - especially when they know they're dead either way.

Whatever hypothesis you go with, there was a lot - a whole lot - of sophistication behind this one. Not your usual truck bomb. This was really slick, a lot slicker that anything else seen.

And who benefited from it?

We should all keep our eyes and minds open, and be slow to make assumptions. Very strange, this one.

Hopefully the crash investigators will be looking hard for the black boxes, weapons, etc.

19 posted on 09/11/2001 2:16:19 PM PDT by pttttt
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To: RoarNLion
Reply to number one. Obviously an inside job.

Reply to number two. Research posts on here relating to Barbara Olsen

Reply to number three. This question holds some merit. One flight was commandeered over the Adirondacks which is 30 minutes air time from NYC. Details on reaction to this need to be found out.

20 posted on 09/11/2001 3:40:19 PM PDT by L`enn
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To: RoarNLion
There is something about all this that just don't add up. Everyone wants to immediately point the finger at islamic fundamentalism as the blame for these terrorist attacks, but I really wonder about that.

First of all, other than the honor/religion of the japanese in WWII, what other people or religion would ever consider kamikaze flights, more or less those hijacked with many passengers on board. If it were one plane only, perhaps you could say that person was just "crazy", but it was 4 planes. This points to a concentrated effort not anything "crazy", so what religion (the extreme part if it makes all you tolerance people feel better) believes that killing those not of your faith, especially those who are Christians or Jews (if in their minds considered a holy war "jihad") will send them to heaven? Only one, Islam. If you wanted to go to heaven bad enough, and you were brought up from childhood by Muslims (extremist though you may say) that told you that you could get to heaven by doing this, it begins to seem less heinous. Furthermore, they believe they obtain a better afterlife the more they have killed during "jihad". This is from commentaries on the Koran and the Koran itself. It is hard to imagine any other group willing to give their own lives to injure the United States. Terry Nichols and Timothy Mcvay didn't kill themselves in the Oklahoma City Bombing. Why not? No reward. They loved life and wanted to continue it as most other kinds of terrorists do. They love life more than they love the terror they inflict. That is why extremist muslims are the logical choice.

1. While it may be possible, I think its highly unlikely that any terrorist organization can pull off hijacking four airliners from three major airports at relatively the same time, given the type of controls that are in place at airports throughout the nation.

Are you watching the news? This has all been explained on every channel. The lax security at that time of morning due to the extreme traffic. Besides, it wasn't three major airports, only two. The weapons they used have been reported due to the last statements of Mrs. Nelson which confirmed that they used exacto knives and cardboard knives (the kind you use to cut open cardboard boxes with). I have carried knives like this onboard planes, often more dangerous ones that were even handed to the attendants and given back to me. I carried a small dagger I brought back from China as a souvenir back in my carry on luggage and a sword was kept by the stewardesses for me and I could have easily gotten it back from where they put it up. It is not that difficult. Luckily I am not an extremist islamic terrorist.

2. No single hijacker can take charge of an airliner and control the people in the coach and the pilot, second pilot and possibly the flight navigator, in the cockpit at the same time. And NO pilot will take an order from a hijacker to intentionally ram his plane into any building.

Absolutely true, but this was also explained on the news. There was more than one hijacker onboard the plane with Barbara Nelson, Ted Nelson's wife as she confirmed by phone. They attacked the sterwardesses with knives who tried to fight them. The pilot's were obviously killed and removed from the seats and replaced by these terrorists who were trained to fly these planes in one of the numerous training facilities from 757s & 767s (?not sure of that number) around the world. Ben Ladin could easily have procurred a flight simulator from a private company and he is known for his training facilities. You also see this in that the one plane went down in Pennsylvania, said to be because of the struggle the pilot put up with his attacker or attackers.

3. Being that all flights are tracked by radar from its point of origin to its desination, who sounded an alarm when either of these planes were found to be deviating from its assigned flight path?The FAA did as stated on the news, but they didn't have time to do anything due to the course being unknown and the constant deviation of the flight paths. One pilot (I think the one that went down in Penn) hit the button for a hijack, but they couldn't do anything in time and said they never thought they would ram it into anything, but would rather ask for demands as was the case in the past. I think more should have been done and that if something is being covered up, it is the failure of military protection from this kind of occurence. If the planes had of been shot down, the death toll would be much lower, though still a terrible loss. Also, according to ABC one of the hijackers actually spoke to the control tower, but they aren't releasing the info yet. I'll bet my bottom soon-to-be $3 gas dollar that the voice has an Arabian accent, not that they are all bad, but these guys were.

I wonder what this distraction was created for?

I agree with this point though. This is not the end in my mind, though in my heart I pray it is. What of the secretly treasonous among us. How many here have bombs waiting to go off? Not to scare people and I am not afraid because of my faith in a God that doesn't want me to kill anyone, but surely more could happen if their arms stretch this far, why not into the small towns where real rural America lives so no one can look and say, "That's terrible, but it doesn't really affect me." as many horrible people around me are saying here in Kentucky. THE END.
21 posted on 09/11/2001 4:01:17 PM PDT by Mr. Logic
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