Posted on 11/05/2001 1:16:29 PM PST by freedomnews
NY cops and firefighters clash over fallen AFP - New Yorkers are shaking their heads in disbelief over an unseemly confrontation between firefighters and police -- the "bravest" versus the "finest", and all heroes of September 11.
Saturday's clash ended with two black eyes and 12 firefighters arrested, but prosecutors dropped felony charges of assaulting police officers and released two detainees.
Meanwhile, both police and firefighters pointed fingers at City Hall for a controversial decision to hand over control of the disaster site to city construction authorities.
The New York police and fire departments have been staunch comrades-in-arms in the wake of the attack on the World Trade Centre's twin towers, and the confrontation between uniformed services, with some firefighters being taken away in handcuffs, left witnesses gasping.
The conflict underscored the frustrations of the efforts to retrieve bodies, body parts, or any remnant of a life among the nearly 5,000 lost in the ruins of the twin towers.
The intact body of a firefighter, one of 347 who died saving lives in the stricken World Trade Centre that day, was pulled out of the rubble as recently as Wednesday.
His body, wrapped in a US flag, was returned to his widow for a proper burial.
His comrades - dozens at a time - have been searching at the site, known as "Ground Zero," for human remains, working alongside a removal crew using cranes and bulldozers, carting off up to 10,000 tonnes of debris each day to a landfill on Staten Island called Fresh Kills.
But the city decided to curb the recovery efforts citing safety concerns, and the firefighters took their anger yesterday to Ground Zero. They wound up confronting their police comrades in a clash that left five police injured and 12 firefighters arrested.
New York tabloids today headlined: "Bravest vs. Finest" and "Ground Zero Fury".
"I felt embarrassed actually. We've looked to them as leaders. We've put a crown of nobility on them ... To see our bravest and finest at each other, it's very difficult to accept," said Larry Smith, a city resident.
"We don't want to find remains at the Fresh Kills," where some body parts have in fact been found, Peter Gorman of the United Firefighters Association said yesterday.
The UFA estimates more than 265 firefighters remain lost in the rubble.
"No crane can smell a human being," Mike Hefferman of Ladder 17 told local television, and the UFA issued a statement saying that Ground Zero had become "a full-time construction scoop and dump operation".
The police, who also lost comrades in the tragedy, feel the same way.
A police officer told local television: "At the next rally, police will be there too. We're not allowing our heroes, their heroes and the people of New York City carted off to the dump."
But Mayor Rudolph Giuliani stood by the decision to cut back recovery operations to what the UFA called a "skeleton crew".
By LARRY CELONA, PHILIP MESSING, ZACH HABERMAN and ERIKA MARTINEZ
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A firefighter leaves Manhattan Criminal Court yesterday.
November 4, 2001 -- Firefighters yesterday blamed police supervisors for the battle at ground zero, even as cops arrested one more of the Bravest. Videotapes and photos, including news footage, were examined by cops to identify firefighters who may have assaulted or pushed police officers during the protest.
Afterward, cops went to arrest firefighter union president Kevin Gallagher for trespassing for his alleged role in the melee.
Tom Butler a spokesman for the Uniformed Firefighters Association, said the union leader surrendered after he attended a firefighter's memorial service.
"Mr. Gallagher did nothing more than lead his men into what we consider hallowed, sacred grounds for a moment of silence and to say the Lord's Prayer," Butler said.
"It is inappropriate" that cops are going to such great lengths to find people to charge, said Steven Rabinowitz, lawyer for the Uniformed Fire Officers Association.
"It was a scuffle at worst. People at the highest level of the Police Department and City Hall want to turn it into a witch hunt. It's really not constructive."
Five cops, including two high-ranking officials, suffered black eyes and other minor injuries after being hit and pushed to the ground by firefighters in Friday afternoon's melee.
Cops are also investigating the possibility that some protesting firefighters were on duty during the rally, police said.
Twelve arrests were made after firefighters and cops got into a scuffle during a protest over the city's decision to limit the number of rescue workers allowed to help at ground zero.
Union officials say the incident was the culmination of three days of efforts to address their concerns about the man- power cutbacks with the mayor.
Several officials went after Mayor Giuliani, attacking him for heading to Arizona to watch the World Series.
"It's typical. Baseball first, the needs of the firemen second," said Peter Gorman, head of the UFOA.
The mayor's office declined to comment.
Two of the 12 arrested, Martin McHale and Mike Destefano, were released early yesterday after prosecutors decided not to file charges against them.
Hours earlier, McHale had been suspended by Fire Commissioner Thomas Von Essen for his role in the protests - the only firefighter suspended from the showdown. According to lawyer Rabinowitz, McHale will be reinstated soon.
The other 10 were released at about 2:30 a.m. All were charged with trespassing, while three of them - Lt. Steve Carbone, Lt. Pete Walsh and Lt. Jack Ginty - were hit with other charges, including obstructing government administration and disorderly conduct.
By Gina Doggett
Agence France-Presse
NEW YORK – Emotions boiled over here Friday as firefighters protesting restrictions to their search for colleagues lost in the rubble of the World Trade Center scuffled with police, leading to 12 arrests.
Hundreds of firefighters broke down barricades around the site, known as "Ground Zero" since the devastating terror attack of September 11, and five police officers were injured in the scuffles.
Those arrested included a retired fire captain, a fire marshal and three union leaders, and they face charges of assault, resisting arrest and disorderly conduct.
Mayor Rudolph Giuliani said he sympathized with the firefighters who lost 347 comrades in the attack but that "the kind of conduct displayed today is unacceptable."
He added: "No matter how bad you feel... you don't get to punch New York City police officers. For that you go to jail."
The incident prompted Fire Commissioner Thomas Von Essen to make a public apology to the five injured police officers, two with black eyes and three with neck and back injuries.
"I want to apologize to those five police officers. I think of them as brothers in this tragedy from day one," he said at a press conference attended by Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik.
Firefighters' union representatives said they regretted that police officers were injured but claimed that they were not looking for confrontation, and that police had provoked the clashes.
"We did not want to have an altercation with the other heroes (the police). We wanted a peaceful march," one said.
The New York police and fire departments have been staunch comrades-in-arms in the wake of the attack on the twin towers, and the confrontation between uniformed services, with some firefighters being taken away in handcuffs, left witnesses gaping.
Giuliani said the decision to curb the recovery effort was made at the repeated advice of safety experts, who said the site was becoming increasingly dangerous as larger equipment was deployed, and that more lives could be lost. "I'm not going to have that on my conscience," he said.
The number of search and recovery workers at the site will be reduced to 75 – 25 each from the firefighting, police and port authority police services – Ken Holden of the Department of Design and Construction told a press conference on Friday.
But the unions said their safety officials were not consulted in the decision.
What began as a heroic rescue mission in which tens of thousands of survivors came out alive soon shifted to the grisly task of unearthing bodies from the smoking ruins.
The search and recovery workers found themselves at cross purposes with a round-the-clock cleanup operation in which up to 10,000 tonnes of debris has been removed each day.
Fewer than 500 bodies have been identified, with nearly 4,000 victims still listed as missing, according to police figures on Thursday, but bodies are still being found.
"Just 24 or 48 hours ago they found a firefighter's body intact," Peter Gorman of the Uniformed Firefighters Association told reporters.
The UFA estimates that more than 265 firefighters remain lost in the rubble. Holden said the recovery teams would now "have spotters spread throughout the site," he said. "When the spotters find human remains that require the excavation to stop ... the excavators will back off, and the firefighters and the policemen who are in the safe areas will then come onto the site (and) do their searches."
Giuliani said: "We have stretched the recovery to points beyond people advising me that we should stop," he said, noting that hundreds of search and recovery workers were at Ground Zero in the initial phase following the attack.
The UFA said the restrictions would derail "the department's dignified attempt to recover emergency workers who lost their lives."
Ground Zero has become "a full-time construction scoop and dump operation," the association said in a press statement. Gorman said Friday that "we don't find remains at the Fresh Kills," the landfill where the debris is taken, and where some body parts have been found.
Firefighters requesting anonymity said they suspected the decision was motivated by financial concerns, with overtime pay costing the city millions of dollars since the destruction of the two 110-story World Trade Center towers and several other buildings.
But Giuliani firmly rejected the allegations.
You guys and gals are the bravest. We know this. This is a once in a lifetime situation...please for the sake of our country calm down and maintain your dignity.
"We never leave our gold behind".
Now that it's out it's "bring in the scoop".
(Sigh)
For the last time, the gold at the Bank of Nova Scotia has been accessible since #4 was torn down last month. It was accessible enough for someone to try to steal it two weeks ago. The fireman were not part of the gold recovery, which was carried out by a private security firm, some Brinks people, construction workers, and a bunch of federal agents.
I really don't understand why so many at FR shout "AHA!" once they hear about the gold. It's no secret that it was down there, and its location is not where recovery efforts are going on. There's even more stuff under #6, where Customs was (drugs, guns, and mo money). Things have also been recovered from other parts of the underground concourse (including a mother cat and three kittens, and the contents of a Kelly Film Works store, which has what are surely some of the last pictures of the victims and their families). Parts of the underground complex have been accessible from the beginning, and merchants have been able to recover some of their merchandise. At least, the stuff that wasn't looted.
So why the cries of "Eureka! It all makes sense now!" when someone mentions the gold under the WTC? Maybe you can explain it to me. Did you think the owners WEREN'T going to come and get it one day?
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