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(Indian) Defense Secretary warns of nuke retaliation
The Times of India ^ | 6.2.02 | Reuters Wires

Posted on 06/02/2002 4:58:30 AM PDT by mhking


Defence Secretary warns of nuke retaliation

REUTERS [ SUNDAY, JUNE 02, 2002  11:55:50 AM ]

NEW DELHI: India would retaliate in the event of a nuclear strike by Pakistan, and must be prepared for mutual destruction on both sides, Defence Secretary was quoted as saying.

In an interview with the weekly magazine Outlook, which hit news stands on Sunday, Yogendra Narain said India was prepared for conventional war turning nuclear.

"But Pakistan is not a democratic country and we don't know their nuclear threshold," he said. "We will retaliate and must be prepared for mutual destruction on both sides."

On Saturday, Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf sought to calm international fears that a military stand-off with India could escalate into nuclear conflict, saying it would be unthinkable.

With a million soldiers massed along the border, there are fears that war could be triggered by another attack against India by Pakistan-based militants.

In response to such an attack, Narain said surgical strikes by India would be the "realistic option", not all-out war. And they could come at three hours' notice.

Such strikes would target militant bases in the Pakistan occupied Kashmir.

"Surgical strikes are the realistic option," Narain said.

"But we also know that there will be retaliation on other parts of the border from Pakistan. It'll escalate and will not be confined to one region."

New Delhi accuses Islamabad of fomenting violence in Kashmir by arming and training militants.

It says there are dozens of militant camps sheltering the rebels across the border in PoK.

Pakistan denies Indian charges and says it only provides moral, political and diplomatic support to the legitimate Kashmiri freedom struggle.

India has ruled out first use of nuclear weapons, while Pakistan has not.

Tensions between the nuclear-armed rivals were triggered in December after an attack on Parliament which New Delhi blamed on Pakistan-based militants.

They flared again last month after a raid on an army camp in Jammu, which killed 34 people including the three attackers.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; india; kashmir; nuclearwar; pakistan; retaliation; slipperyslope; southasialist; terrorism; worldwariii
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1 posted on 06/02/2002 4:58:31 AM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
and must be prepared for mutual destruction on both sides

I've got a bad feeling about this...

2 posted on 06/02/2002 4:59:28 AM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
The India-Pakistani Conflict... some background information-

You also might wish to keep handy:

Nuclear, Biological, & Chemical Warfare- Survival Skills, Pt. II


3 posted on 06/02/2002 5:04:09 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: mhking
NDTV/StarNews India - Streams live coverage from the StarNews Channel in New Delhi. The first half of most hours is broadcast in Hindi, the second half is in English. You need Windows Media Player to receive the broadcast. This will provide additional insight into what's happening in the region...
4 posted on 06/02/2002 5:04:16 AM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
bump
5 posted on 06/02/2002 5:05:03 AM PDT by Unknown Freeper
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To: backhoe
Thanks for the survival manual. It can't hurt to have it on hand in light of the dire information coming out lately.
6 posted on 06/02/2002 5:07:08 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: freeperfromnj
Thanks for looking, and feel free to copy & redistribute any & all of the information contained there. If I were going to recommend one hard-copy book from there, it would be Kearney's "Nuclear War Survival Skills."

Just to keep things in perspective, look here:

-Tables on nuclear tests worldwide--

...and you'll see that over 500 megatons of nukes were touched off for testing alone. Naturally, it would be far better if these clowns don't nuke each other, but it won't be Armagheddon, either.

7 posted on 06/02/2002 5:25:24 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: mhking
Thanks for posting this.

This is more frightening than anything that has occured in many months, and the blame for a lot of this can be laid right at the door of the Clinton administration. But the media will never remind us of that. This situation bears more than watching. It needs attention, but from who? No one, including the US, has anyone fit to deal with these kinds of threats anymore.

8 posted on 06/02/2002 5:46:12 AM PDT by SiliconValleyGuy
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To: backhoe
Do you know if anyone has put out a map of the fall-out patterns based on the current weather there and probable strike zones?
9 posted on 06/02/2002 5:58:42 AM PDT by TongRat
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To: TongRat
I haven't seen anything based on Indian-Pakistani nuclear hits. There are quite a few Cold-War era fallout maps you can locate on the web, but they are based on Russia or China vs. the USA. The closest thing I have found is a 1950's era map from a 300 kiloton Chinese shot:



10 posted on 06/02/2002 6:13:44 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Yes, but who knows what might happen if either side uses nuclear weapons? We're not just talking about two countries here, we're talking about other countries who might decide it's time they flex their muscles. Just like we have allies, I'm sure India and Pakistan have allies too...especially India.

The best we can hope for is that this is all just "talk" and nobody pushes the button on either side.

11 posted on 06/02/2002 6:16:46 AM PDT by DJ88
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To: mhking
Don't worry, it ain't gonna happen(at least anytime soon). We could have made this statement, in fact any country with nukes promises to retaliate with same if attacked that way.

Now conventional warfare could very likely break out, but escalation to suicide is very unlikely now. Musharif's statement yesterday was basically a backing down, so the direction has been changed.

12 posted on 06/02/2002 7:43:38 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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I don't think there is going to be a war, either. India is trying to push tensions to the limit in order to pressure Pakistan to do more to halt terrorism in Kashmir, and in India. But they're not suicidal, and if they really planned to attack Pakistan, they would have done it already. Pakistani nukes have deterred them.

The hard part for the Indians is determining when Pakistan has done enough for the Indians to return to their bases. There's no way to determine when the incursions have permanently stopped.

The other problem is that al-Qaida would greatly appreciate it all-out war occurs, hopefully one that destroys the Pakisitani Army and gets rid of Musharraf and his crackdown on terrorists within the country. They have every incentive to conduct more terrorist attacks in Kashmir or in India to provoke an Indian response. Whether Pakistan can prevent that or not is an open question.

The danger is that India, in responding to terrorism, might actually assist terrorists and actually make the situation worse in the long run.

I have to think that some people in India understand that, and hopefully all of them do. If so, the strategy is sound; threaten a devastating war in order to make Bush lean on Pakistan and to force a more rapid crackdown on terrorists in the country. But don't actually launch that attack.

That still leaves the problem of no exit strategy for India for this policy.

13 posted on 06/02/2002 8:21:03 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: mhking
The Iran-Iraq War in the '80s resulted in from 600K to 1070K dead. Iran and Iraq have a combined population of about 90M. Scaling up by a factor of 13 to account for the greater population of Pakistan and India, we get 8M to 14M dead.

Killing 8 to 14 million people by conventional arms is difficult. Therefore, it is almost essential that nuclear arms be employed in order to reach a decisive outcome, either by victory or exhaustion of the sides.

The use of <100 fission bombs of low (<50 MTon) yield will produce casualties of the right order of magnitude. Worldwide nuclear fallout will be comparable to the atmospheric testing of the '50s.

A world government will be established by the great powers shortly thereafter to ensure against a repeat.

14 posted on 06/02/2002 9:31:13 AM PDT by Lessismore
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OOPS -- make that low yield < 50 Kton!
15 posted on 06/02/2002 9:32:12 AM PDT by Lessismore
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To: *southasia_list
Bump list
16 posted on 06/02/2002 10:07:42 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Lessismore
Further speculations along the lines of a nuclear exchange between these two countries:

What if India determines that it is willing to "absorb" the relatively small number of Paki bombs now, in order to make for a safer future later? Using their own nuclear weapons and their own superior numbers, they take Pakistan and occupy it, thereby placing a non-Moslem army in control of a Moslem country. As long as the USA has no part in that operation, it could be good for us, re-directing the wrath of Islamo-insanity towards India. Let THEM deal with it for the next 50 years. Meanwhile, Islamofacists all over Pakistan would surely be rounded up and murdered (yay!) because an India that's just suffered nuclear strikes isn't going to be in a civil-rights-mood towards its enemies. I know there would be consequences, not the least of which are environmental... but there might be a kind of silver lining here.

17 posted on 06/02/2002 10:13:07 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Lessismore
Ever read any of Pournelle's science fiction that covers the future history of the CoDominion, a US-Soviet planetary government?
18 posted on 06/02/2002 10:14:54 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: samtheman
Let THEM deal with it for the next 50 years.

It would probably be more like 500, or more. The Islamists have pre-industrial historical timescales and memories. They view Ferdinand and Isabella's ejection of the Moors from Spain as a recent event.

19 posted on 06/02/2002 10:16:50 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: All,
More from where that fallout map came from above is here...

Trans-Pacific Fallout Here From India/Pakistan Nukes!

20 posted on 06/02/2002 12:31:20 PM PDT by shanec
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