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New bull market or sucker rally?
prudentbear.com ^ | August 8, 2002 | Clive Maund

Posted on 08/08/2002 10:12:00 AM PDT by Axion

Guest Commentary, by Clive Maund

New bull market or sucker rally?

August 8, 2002

 Clive Maund is an English technical analyst, holding a diploma from the Society of Technical Analysts, Cambridge and living in southern Bavaria, Germany where he trades US markets. This article was orginally published July 31, 2002.

Anyone who read my earlier article in Prudent Bear entitled “The Great Crash of 2002”, posted July 11, will probably recall my description of the giant Head-and-Shoulders top in the S&P500 index. The index has since broken down from this top and this breakdown has been followed by a pullback towards the neckline of the Head-and-Shoulders formation. This pullback has now, in my view, run its course and we are currently presented with one of the finest shorting opportunities of all time.

So, as cool pragmatic speculators, let’s look at the opportunities and risks associated with the two main scenarios facing us, namely that we have now seen the bottom and the dawn of a new bullmarket is upon us and, alternatively, that the rise over the past week was a classic sucker rally following a major chart breakdown which will be followed by huge decline.

Playing Devil’s advocate for a moment, let’s just suppose that the bottom is in, what can we, as bulls, look forward to? A long tedious advance through a quagmire of overhead supply from millions of investors locked in at the higher prices prevailing over the past five years. Such an advance would be punctuated, of course, by sharp selloffs. Where would we set our stop loss level on the S&P? 880? 860? 800? Difficult to say, isn’t it?

Now let’s look at what bears have in prospect. Bears who short the S&P500 (or a basket of stocks) can look forward to the biggest panic selloff of all time over the coming weeks and months, quite likely weeks rather than months. This panic has a minimum target at 560 on the S&P500. With the neckline at approx. 930, a close stop loss level can be clearly defined. I would put it at 955, which, in my estimation means that one is unlikely to be shaken out by a whipsaw move.

So, which would you rather be? A bull looking for a long slow advance through massive overhead supply, with vague or arbitrary stop loss levels, in a market perched on the edge of an abyss – or a bear with the prospect of huge, swift gains and the assurance and security of tight, clearly defined stop loss levels??Not much of a contest, is it?



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1 posted on 08/08/2002 10:12:00 AM PDT by Axion
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To: Axion
Da bear smells honey.
2 posted on 08/08/2002 10:15:55 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Axion
unlikely to be shaken out by a whipsaw move

Dynamic language. Is the author also a sportswriter?

3 posted on 08/08/2002 10:18:43 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Axion
Ignoring fundamental values for technical analysis is what got us here.


4 posted on 08/08/2002 10:19:50 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: Axion
Sucker rally!
5 posted on 08/08/2002 10:21:03 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Axion
Put me down as being solidly in the bear camp. Decisions, decisions. Do I short the Naz, the Dow or the S&P? How about FreddieMac or GinnieMae? So many indexes, so little play money. Decisions, decisions.
6 posted on 08/08/2002 10:22:21 AM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Axion
What fundamentals have changed? Has their been a recent major victory against terrorism? No and No. This a sucker's rally. Case closed. Good night and drive safely!
7 posted on 08/08/2002 10:26:46 AM PDT by StockAyatollah
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To: StockAyatollah
Since the Schlekmeister is gone Rubin may testify (although he'll get a pass) & RedSpan has NO clue of what to do except keep the ponzi game going a little longer, I would suggest that shorting is/has been a real money maker. We need a WHARR! The New World Order needs it. And GW will do as his puppetiers say.
8 posted on 08/08/2002 10:36:41 AM PDT by Digger
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To: headsonpikes
At least through the end of October and the start of most institutions new fiscal year one would be well advised to take a bearish stance. The revalations of past inflating of government economic data has to work its way through the market also.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

9 posted on 08/08/2002 10:45:37 AM PDT by harpseal
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To: harpseal
Classic Bear Trap

10 posted on 08/08/2002 11:01:08 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: RightWhale
Whipsaw is a term used in technical analysis. Here is a definition:

A whipsaw occurs when a buy or sell signal is reversed in a short time. Volatile markets and sensitive indicators can cause whipsaws. For example: A whipsaw would occur if a position trader initiates a long position on a bullish MACD crossover and has to close it the next day because of a bearish moving average crossover. The signal was reversed and the trader had to exit quickly.

11 posted on 08/08/2002 11:31:27 AM PDT by Soren
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To: Soren
A whipsaw occurs when a buy or sell signal is reversed in a short time

That kind of action is a little too fast for my blood. Those in the pits can go ahead at warp 8 or whatever speed they want. I prefer to follow the more sedate trends, things that take a week or a month, or even a quarter to show up. Watching the tides, not the waves.

12 posted on 08/08/2002 11:47:09 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
well put
13 posted on 08/08/2002 11:57:49 AM PDT by Fyscat
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To: RightWhale
I agree. I have a bear position with Prudent Bear myself having made roughly 24% since May. The updrafts are brutal but the law of market gravity will prevail.
14 posted on 08/08/2002 12:04:38 PM PDT by junta
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To: junta
What are some good bear funds based on the s&p, nasdaq and the dow?
15 posted on 08/08/2002 12:10:32 PM PDT by okkev68
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To: Axion
It's hard to go against this fixed market. It's like a out-of-towner sitting in with the good-ole boys in a poker game. Now it's a 1/4 pt interest cut that make a market move 5-700 pts. Yea, sure! Investors better watch their backs. These poker players are like Bobby Knight. They forget more than the sheeple will ever learn. Just a soon as you learn it they will chnage the rules.
16 posted on 08/08/2002 12:24:02 PM PDT by Digger
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Attention All Technicians!

Check out the chart for Dow industrials from july 1992 to july 2002. I see a ponderous movement down to 5,500.
17 posted on 08/08/2002 1:27:55 PM PDT by upcountryhorseman
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To: Axion
People that bought stock on late Monday and sold this afternoon are NOT suckers.
18 posted on 08/08/2002 1:31:56 PM PDT by Mike Darancette
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To: Axion
I love to see the pervasive negative market sentiment.
19 posted on 08/08/2002 1:38:12 PM PDT by TBall
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"Ignoring fundamental values for technical analysis is what got us here. "

No, treating fundamental things like earnings and sales as technical momentum indicators is what got us here.

Just look at how earnings are reported: vs. expectations, rather than normalized by some other fundamental like book value or the industry norm for earnings. It is still so reported to this day despite the raging bear.

People have largely forgotten that earnings do not add value for the shareholder unless they are retained (increase owners' equity) or distributed as dividends. Why should I care that earnings exceeded expectations if my owner equity is plummeting off a cliff like Wile E. Coyote?

20 posted on 08/08/2002 1:45:17 PM PDT by Tauzero
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