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Water's Flow From Private Hands
The Washington Post ^ | Monday, August 12, 2002 | William Booth

Posted on 08/12/2002 1:08:14 PM PDT by Willie Green

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Thirsty, Growing States Turn to New Sources to Meet Demand

CADIZ, Calif. -- This is one big, dry state, and Keith Brackpool wants to slake its thirst.

The politically connected British wheeler-dealer is pressing ahead with an ingenious plan to sell billions of gallons of drinking water to Southern California from his company's aquifer, buried here beneath the broiling badlands of the Mojave Desert.

Contentious? They don't call them "water wars" for nothing.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: brackpool; cadiz; desalination; drought; freshwater
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Desalination is increasingly being considered as a source of fresh water in our coastal states due to pressures stemming from drought and population growth. While such processes are becoming more economical, they are also reliant on availability of electrical energy. For this reason, nuclear desalination should be considered as an option.


Cool Water

All day I've faced the barren waste
without the taste of water..... cool water
Ole Dan and I with throats burned dry
and souls that cry for water.... cool, clear water

The nights are cool and I'm a fool
Each star's a pool of water.... cool, clear water
And with the dawn I'll wake and yawn
and carry on to water.... cool, clear water

The shadows sway and seem to say
tonight we pray for water.... cool, clear water
And way up there He'll hear our prayer
and show us where there's water.... cool, clear water

Keep a movin' Dan don't you listen to him Dan
He's the devil, not a man he spreads the burnin' sand with water
Say Dan can't you see that big green tree
where the water's runnin' free, it's waiting there for you and me

And water.... cool, clear water

Dan's feet are sore he's yearnin' for
Just one thing more than water.... cool, clear water
Like me I guess he'd like to rest
Where there's no quest for water.... cool, clear water


1 posted on 08/12/2002 1:08:14 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
"For this reason, nuclear desalination should be considered as an option."

Two things wrong with this thesis -

1. if you think its hard to get a California permit to keep a Condor in your bedroom - try to get a pipeline built across the Mojave - tougher than ANWR - (not to mention it definitely affects the migration route of our neighbors to the South)

2. Desalination requires huge areas to store the salt - not environmentally polite to do that in California. - also more pipelines, ROW's, enviromnmental upheaval -

2a. Grey water requires its own delivery system - hence more pipelines and plumbing delivery lines to your trailer or outhouse - so that ain't gonna work.

The answer to the problem is of course - lots of bottled water in recycl-friendly bottles - plastics industry luvs it - truck drivers, luv it - even my condor in the bedroom luv's.

(Desalination worked in the mid-east only because they had no concern about stockpiling the salt.)


2 posted on 08/12/2002 1:25:55 PM PDT by SEGUET
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To: Willie Green
I love "The Sons of the Pioneers"
4 posted on 08/12/2002 1:30:54 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: SEGUET
My suggested course of action -

Dig a sea-level canal from Brownsville, Texas, to Chula Vista, California, following the US-Mexican border. Deep enough for ocean-going vessels, and half a mile wide.

Divide this ditch with some barrier, and draw water from one side to be desalinated, discharging the concentrated brine on the other side, and allowing ocean currents (driven by tides and using a series of locks) to flush away the highly saline discharge water.

Drainage into the course of the canal, from various western rivers (Colorado and Rio Grande, among others) would tend to keep the side that would be desalinated of rather low salinity to begin with, making the process somewhat easier.

This may read like science fiction, but what the heck, we once went to the Moon, didn't we? Jules Verne told us how decades before we managed to comb through the necessary calculations and actually do it. By 2102, this suggestion may be a perfectly acceptable solution.

5 posted on 08/12/2002 1:40:50 PM PDT by alloysteel
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To: SEGUET
Desalination requires huge areas to store the salt -

No. The more concentrated salt-brine is usually returned to the sea.

6 posted on 08/12/2002 1:50:35 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Willie, Willie, Willie!

Not in the path of the grey whale migration its NOT!!!
7 posted on 08/12/2002 1:52:58 PM PDT by SEGUET
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To: Willie Green
Willie, you speak rationally. The eco wackos are *not* rational! Progress==Evil!(tm)
8 posted on 08/12/2002 1:56:18 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: alloysteel
"(Colorado and Rio Grande, among others) would tend to keep the side that would be desalinated of rather low salinity to begin with, ..."

Steely -

I must presume your not from these parts - ya see there is not water in the Rio Grand or the Colorado to speak of - what water there is in the Colorado (by the time it gets to the Mexican border is salty enough to cook a Maine clambake in - and as far as the Rio Grand is concerned we'd drowned a lot of folks making the crossing if we were to deepen it.

One other thing - what are you going to do with all the dirt from the trench - granted we need a little bit around the roses in the trailer park but I don't know about the rest.
9 posted on 08/12/2002 1:58:31 PM PDT by SEGUET
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To: UCANSEE2
ping
10 posted on 08/12/2002 1:59:14 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: Willie Green
You don't need nuclear desalination.

All you need is to build more dams and reservoirs, but we all know that the environmentalists hate dams and reservoirs.

Maybe the water company should refuse service to these groups and individuals that support them.

11 posted on 08/12/2002 2:02:52 PM PDT by Frohickey
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To: Willie Green
Desalination is increasingly being considered as a source of fresh water in our coastal states due to pressures stemming from drought and population growth. While such processes are becoming more economical, they are also reliant on availability of electrical energy. For this reason, nuclear desalination should be considered as an option.

The fallaciousness of your water war analysis is rivaled only by the fallaciousness of your drug war analysis. Urban users actually consume very little of California's water, the vast majority of which is used for agriculture. The problem as usual is government interference, which makes it difficult for farmers (eg. subsidized, high volume water consuming rice growers) to sell and deliver their water to urban users.

12 posted on 08/12/2002 2:05:34 PM PDT by ravinson
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To: Black Agnes
Willie, you speak rationally. The eco wackos are *not* rational! Progress==Evil!(tm)

Thank-you, Agnes.

There are 3 areas of infrastructure technology that I strongly advocate that we should be pursuing: desalination, electric mass-transportation, and nuclear power. IMHO, Kalifornia would especially benefit from all three.

I suppose I should make that 4 items that I advocate: our nation's system of locks & dams that make our inland rivers navigible are in need of repair/upgrade. But I seldom come across articles to post that address that issue.

13 posted on 08/12/2002 2:11:52 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: alloysteel
My suggested course of action - Dig a sea-level canal from Brownsville, Texas, to Chula Vista, California, following the US-Mexican border. Deep enough for ocean-going vessels, and half a mile wide.

That would require a canal about a mile deep through most of New Mexico and Arizona.

15 posted on 08/12/2002 2:17:18 PM PDT by ravinson
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To: SEGUET
Actually there was a second reason for digging the deep trench all the way from Chula Vista to Brownsville. A half-mile wide channel tends to keep a lot of casual "turistas" over there on the Mexican side until they can either qualify for major Olympian swimming requirements, or they have access to a properly rigged boat.

And the dirt - the means of removing it would be a large anti-gravity "sled" that would glide over water to a point where the ocean is quite deep, and it would be used as landfill to reduce the depth of the ocean there. May be a little turbidity and some disruption at first, but this would soon clear up....

16 posted on 08/12/2002 2:18:04 PM PDT by alloysteel
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To: Willie Green
In other words, you favor increasing the cost of irrigation...

No, I favor allowing the cost of any good to be set at market levels. Why do you want to subsidize rice growers in a semi-arid land where rice paddies make no sense economically?

Go back to your drug-induced fog.

Actually, the conditions are bright and sunny here, but it appears that there is a dark cloud perpetually hanging over your head.

17 posted on 08/12/2002 2:26:09 PM PDT by ravinson
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To: alloysteel
Alloy -

Knock it off -there are a couple of people here who think your serious - taken on it's face and with no further inp[ut from you - we have adequate grounds to commit you by sundown - a trench across New Mexico and Arizona to Chula Vista - what's wrong with one to Yora Linda?
18 posted on 08/12/2002 2:33:32 PM PDT by SEGUET
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To: ravinson
Why do you want to subsidize rice growers in a semi-arid land where rice paddies make no sense economically?

For the same reason I support government "subsidized" water supplies to semi-arid communities such as Los Angeles. It would make no "economic" sense to live in Los Angeles if Government hadn't intervened with massive water diversion.

Water supply, be it for farm irrigation or urban family use is legitimate infrastructure supplied by government. Same with roads, highways, bridges, airports, mass-transportation systems, etc. etc. etc.

You "let-the-market-do-it" extremists are irrational.

19 posted on 08/12/2002 2:41:29 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
I think what ravinson is talking about is the "use it or lose it" concept in prior appropriation water rights. If the irrigator(right holder) doesn't use the water as it's highest beneficial use(agriculture), he loses the rights to that water.

There are a few examples of agreements reached to facilitate a change in beneficial use and as time goes by, there will be more.

20 posted on 08/12/2002 2:50:38 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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