[LonePalm]

An excellent article about an issue that has troubled me for years but didn't have the legal training to properly frame the arguement.

I would dearly love to see the liberals attack this while defending abortion.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

[LonePalm]

I thought you would like this. Please foward this to your ping list, less me.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

[xsmommy]

Then they found that the privacy right had a "penumbra" containing other rights

great article, loney. let's see if there are any father's rights lurking in them thar "penumbras".... you just never know what you might run across in a penumbra. /sarcasm

[LonePalm]

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

[Paul Atreides]

The only rights a father has is the right to make out a child support check. Before the birth, the father is considered as useful as a condom with the end clipped off. After the birth, watch out! Suddenly, that baby would not be there but for him.

I think that a man should accept the responsibility for his children, but the feminazis want it both ways.

Odd how they don't label it a choice issue when a woman wants to keep her septuplets, when a woman wants to be a surrogate mother, or when a woman wants to be a model.

[carenot]

I would dearly love to see the liberals attack this while defending abortion.

I had never thought of it this way. I knew that it wasn't right. I just didn't know how to say it. Men have to pay but they have no say if a woman kills his baby.

[TruthShallSetYouFree]

This is a troubling issue. Perhaps, before engaging in intercourse, both parties should be made to sign a contract stating that, should a pregnancy result from their actions, they agree to either one of the following:

1. To carry the baby full-term, and the father will be liable for support, or
2. The mother has her choice of what to do, but if she chooses to have the baby, the father will not be liable for support.

Of course, they have to read and sign this before alcohol and/or passion clouds their judgment.

[stopsign]

Well, As I have said many of times.The father has no rights, only the mother.Not fair. And as far as abortion goes, My mother has often told she's for abortion any time after the child is born. And still threatens me with it even though I'm 41. (I believe she will go through with it so I don't push her).
Fathers need equal rights.

[stopsign]

"So I ask today: Might a Father find himself mentally not ready for a child? Might a Father find a child inconvenient to his career path? If these are rights women get to protect by choosing abortion, why not allow Fathers "the right to choose" also? I propose a "Father's Abortion." Let a Father petition the Court to terminate his own parental rights to his child after the chlid's birth. He would be rid of his obligations to that child in favor of his mental health and finances, the same as a woman does when she aborts."

Well sorry to say, I don't see this happening. Even though I'm with you.

[Hotdog]

Posted by Hotdog to therut
On News/Activism 01/22/2003 11:01 PM EST #20 of 33

I wrote this in 1973...I rest my case!


I've got a son that never came.
One that flew kites and arrow-planes.
One that danced in the springtime rains.
Don't know why or who's to blame.
But I've got a son that never came.

Bullfrogs and butterflies he'll never see.
He'll stroll through an open field, but not with me.

There was a time his heart beat strong.
It beat with rhythm as in a song.
And to me his love belonged.
Don't know why or what went wrong.
But there was a time his heart beat strong.

It's left in my mind and my heart will tease.
There's no love in my life for my son and me.

Before I had a chance to fight.
They took my son up a flight.
To a room to take his life.
Don't know why I had no rights.
Before I had a chance to fight.

Then five months early they stole him from his womb.
Laid him in a corner and watched him die in his tomb.

But for one split second I thought I heard him cry...
"I'm gonna have to leave you now. I love you Dad. Goodbye."

[LiteKeeper]

read later

[yendu bwam]

It is an abomination of the highest degree that a father have no rights regarding his unborn child. The worst part of it is children are killed by mothers in instances where fathers would love and nourish and cherish those children. Such is evil.

[GovernmentShrinker]

I am absolutely pro-choice and absolutely opposed to requiring biological fathers to pay any child support whatsoever, unless they contracted to do so prior to or during the pregnancy (and marriage, at least under current law, is construed as such a contract). Too many women out there are getting pregnant on purpose, while claiming to be on the pill, in attempts to keep a man who doesn't want to be kept. If a woman allows herself to become pregnant and exercises her choice to remain pregnant, the child is HER responsibility.

And as for men who object to their biological child being aborted, I'd recommend being more careful where they deposit their sperm. But contracts covering these things ought to be enforceable like any other contract (per that long forgotten clause in the Constitution about the government not interfering with people entering into contracts). If a man wants to be able to block an abortion, he'd better get that in writing beforehand.

[farmfriend]

Just incase you haven't been pinged already.

[Caesar Soze]

I propose a "Father's Abortion." Let a Father petition the Court to terminate his own parental rights to his child after the chlid's birth. He would be rid of his obligations to that child in favor of his mental health and finances, the same as a woman does when she aborts.

Why should the father have to appeal to a court? The aborting woman doesn't; at most, she has to accept a pamphlet and promise to read it. Make paternal abortions safe, legal, "rare," and accessible, just like maternal abortions.

[Lorianne]

Men ARE allowed to vote on abortion. Furthermore all of the SC Justices who ruled in Roe v. Wade were men. So enough about men not getting a say in the issue.

In addition, the majority of decisions to abort , as well as the majority of decisions NOT to abort are a joint decision by both parents.

In the name of "equality" this author wanst to have an equal right to victimize children, only after they're born? That's taking the high road.

Abortion is decreasing. At its zenith 25% of pregnancies ended in abortion. That means the overwhelming majority of pregnancies (75%) were NOT aborted. The percentage is even less today. So the proposal is to punish the children who are NOT aborted in a twisted retaliation for ones who are? Makes no logical sense whatsoever.