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Debunking the Israeli tabloid "shuttle wing" photo
Self and NASA photos ^ | 2/3/2003 | Ichneumon

Posted on 02/03/2003 7:02:42 PM PST by Ichneumon

Debunking the "wing" picture

Here's the original picture from an Israeli newspaper alleged to be the damaged "wing" of Columbia, shot during an in-flight interview with the Israeli astronaut:

Besides the obvious problems (you can't see much of the wings from the shuttle windows, the wings have no "stovepipe" structure as seen in the photo, no tiling is visible, etc.), the main problem with the photo is that it's of a different portion of the shuttle entirely -- it's the inside front edge of the open cargo bay.

The "stovepipe" object is one of the "lugs" that the cargo doors clamp onto when they close in order to form a firm seal, like the door latch hardware on an automobile door.

I knew the "stovepipe" couldn't be part of the wing, so I started browsing NASA photos looking for a match elsewhere on the orbiter. I knew I had struck paydirt when I found this panoramic view of the payload bay:

Note the "stovepipe" on the far right, identical to the one in the Israeli photo, including the black "post", the black square mounting flange, and the fact that it's mounted near a curved edge (which even has thin black edging in both photos).

Because of the "fisheye" curving effect of the panoramic camera view, it's not immediately obvious, but the "stovepipe" is mounted on the back face of the shuttle crew compartment (i.e., on the forward wall of the payload bay).

Here is a Quicktime VR shot of the same view in higher detail, which you can rotate around using your mouse: http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/Shuttle/lms/vr/bay_vr4.mov. It makes the physical positions of the different parts of the panorama much more clear, plus lets you zoom in on the "stovepipe" area (use the Ctrl and Shift keys on your keyboard to zoom in/out, and drag-and-drop portions of the picture to rotate the view around).

Here's a better shot of that bulkhead, although the "stovepipes" are fuzzier (they're the 3 black squares which ring the edge):

This photo was taken from inside the payload bay, facing forward, towards the crew capsule at the front of the shuttle. The larger black rectangle is one of the two windows that the crew uses to look back into the payload bay (the edge of the other is partially visible to the right of the other). The airlock which the crew uses to enter the payload bay from the crew compartment is below the bottom right corner of this photo.

Another view:

There's a camera mounted on this same bulkhead, inside the payload bay, and it's the one which takes most of the photos you see of activities in the payload bay. It usually takes photos facing the rear, which is why so many payload photos show the tail of the shuttle, like this one:

But it can be rotated to look "up and out" at satellites as they are deployed, or to get images of the Earth. That's clearly what was done in the Israeli photo, and it was cranked "upward" so much that it caught part of the bulkhead it's mounted to along with one of the "stovepipe" lugs that the big payload bay doors latch to when they close, as well as some of the fabric-like insulation which covers that bulkhead.

That camera is controlled from the Aft Crew Area, the Israeli astronaut must have been there controlling that camera and feeding its video signal to the folks on the ground he was talking to. They mistakenly believed they were seeing a shot out one of the windows, but actually the windows in the shuttle are small and give cramped views of the Earth, like this one:

This, by the way, is an actual photo taken aboard STS-107 -- Columbia's last flight. Nothing obviously is wrong with the wings, or at least the portions which can be seen.

Note also what a limited view of the "wings" is actually afforded by looking out the windows (this is the *best* window to see the wings from -- in fact, probably the only window they're visible from). Also note how different the visible portion of the wing is from the alleged Israeli "view".

Finally, scroll around this *very* detailed scrollable VR view of the entire Columbia payload bay (taken during ground-based operations, so there's a lot of scaffolding and stuff ringing the bay). Rotate around to view the same bulkhead, then zoom in to the area around the windows. You'll see that there's a ridge of insulating material about a foot inside the outer edge of the bulkhead (and inside the ring of "stovepipe" lugs), which corresponds extremely well to the cloth-like "ridge" running vertically along the right side of the Israeli photo.


TOPICS: Extended News; Israel; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bogus; columbia; israeli; photo; shuttle
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The Israeli photo is not Columbia's wing, it's a close-up view of the edge (looks like the top-right edge, a foot or so to the right of the rightmost window) of the forward wall of the inside of the payload bay.
1 posted on 02/03/2003 7:02:42 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
Great stuff bump. Thanks.
2 posted on 02/03/2003 7:14:13 PM PST by michaelt
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To: Ichneumon
Whatever is in the first photo, it looks good and dented up...
3 posted on 02/03/2003 7:14:57 PM PST by Michael Barnes
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To: Miss Marple; Howlin; PhiKapMom; yonif
ping
4 posted on 02/03/2003 7:18:13 PM PST by deport
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To: Ichneumon
Freeptabulous. You are a rumour debunking studmuffin. Not bad. Shows what kind of intellectual and logical talent we have here at FR.
5 posted on 02/03/2003 7:19:30 PM PST by keithtoo
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To: DoughtyOne
FYI.
6 posted on 02/03/2003 7:19:51 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Ichneumon
Saw this picture on an international TV program this evening. It was not in english but that was the same picture and they were discussing the shuttle.

Further, NASA stated today that in the past when foam broke off and hit the shuttle, the astronauts were able to take a photo and that photo was returned to earth with that shuttle.

So my dears, it is indeed possible to take a picture of the wing area.

7 posted on 02/03/2003 7:21:30 PM PST by OldFriend (SUPPORT PRESIDENT BUSH)
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To: Ichneumon; deport
This is great -- I am really impressed at the work you want through to debunk this photo!

Thanks again and thanks Deport for the ping!
8 posted on 02/03/2003 7:25:42 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: Ichneumon
Actually, the "crack" on the bottom center of the picture looks like the end of a tether that is securing a white cylindrical object.

The other "crack" appears to me to be a seam.
9 posted on 02/03/2003 7:26:56 PM PST by Doohickey
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To: Ichneumon
Quite eye-opening, I must say. Some miserable, evil, sneak-thief cretin at NASA went and substituted part of an open cargo bay for a wing. No wonder the shuttle never made it down.
10 posted on 02/03/2003 7:27:32 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Ichneumon
I guess hitting some space junk, a meteor, or some other unknown object, is out of the question, because then we would not have someone or something to blame.
11 posted on 02/03/2003 7:28:21 PM PST by Russell Scott
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To: Ichneumon
THANK YOU!
12 posted on 02/03/2003 7:28:34 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Ichneumon
Great Work Bump.
13 posted on 02/03/2003 7:31:55 PM PST by Slicksadick
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To: EBUCK
Ping...
14 posted on 02/03/2003 7:33:08 PM PST by tubebender (?)
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To: OldFriend
So my dears, it is indeed possible to take a picture of the wing area.

Only if they have they pack the shuttle arm with them or want to go for a walk.

Since they weren't deploying a satellite this time, the arm wasn't included.  Also, since no space walk was planned, they didn't include any jet packs.

Now, that said, there's some non-standard procedures that would have allowed an astronaut in a space suit to take a look but apparently no one thought it was that big a deal.  The shuttle has lost tiles in the past.

Shuttle Arm

15 posted on 02/03/2003 7:34:15 PM PST by Incorrigible
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To: Ichneumon
WOW...That scroll feature is pretty cool.
16 posted on 02/03/2003 7:37:37 PM PST by tubebender (?)
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To: Ichneumon
A marvelous post!
17 posted on 02/03/2003 7:45:56 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: OldFriend
Further, NASA stated today that in the past when foam broke off and hit the shuttle, the astronauts were able to take a photo and that photo was returned to earth with that shuttle.

So my dears, it is indeed possible to take a picture of the wing area.

NASA stated yesterday that they had asked the crew to take photos of THE EXTERNAL TANK as it fell away and that they had done this on previous missions. So my dear, they were referring to getting photos of where on THE EXTERNAL TANK the foam fell from. This in order to understand the failure on the tank and repair it for future flights.
18 posted on 02/03/2003 7:46:40 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Ichneumon
Hi,

Thanks for posting this. I was involved in a similar conversation here:

http://www.flightsimnetwork.com/dcforum/DCForumID2/4711.html

And now it is debunked there as well, thanks to you. I did link your post over there, though.

And I posted the STS-107 Bay picture on my site after waiting 20 minutes for it ti show up due to the NASA site being busy.

Regards,
Joe
19 posted on 02/03/2003 7:56:25 PM PST by Sonar5
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To: keithtoo
I'm glad to see this addressed here. When I received the fake photo from another party, I immediately considered it fake, but -- just to be safe -- consulted with a colleague whose background is with the shuttle. She immediately stated that the photo was bogus.

Thanks very much for the sound debunking!

-Jay
20 posted on 02/03/2003 7:58:33 PM PST by Jay D. Dyson (I have no sense of diplomacy. I consider that to be a character asset.)
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