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California: Democrats seek return of monopoly electric utilities
The Sacramento Bee ^ | Sunday, April 20, 2003 | Daniel Weintraub:

Posted on 04/20/2003 2:50:53 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:50:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

You know things are a little crazy when consumer groups are pining for the return of monopolies.

But that's the shape of energy politics in California today. Democrats in the Legislature and their activist allies are longing to reestablish the monopoly utilities as the sole providers of electricity in the state.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; calpowercrisis; powercrisis
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1 posted on 04/20/2003 2:50:53 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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2 posted on 04/20/2003 2:51:44 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Pray tell... How do you unring a bell? 8-\
3 posted on 04/20/2003 2:58:32 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Support FRee Republic)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I hope freepers will not politicize this issue. The fact is that the traditional vertically integrated utility model has worked very well in the past. It gave consumers electricity at low prices and with a high degree of supply continuity. The restructured electricity business has been known as "deregulation", which has turned out to be a misnomer. The proposed restructured electricity business will need much more regulation than the traditional system.
4 posted on 04/20/2003 2:58:38 PM PDT by Mihalis
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To: Mihalis
Texas is delivering lower prices to their public with deregulation, so it can be done!

California deliberately screwed it up so that the Socialists could seize control!

5 posted on 04/20/2003 3:12:19 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Having 'fixed' electricity pricing once, the same morons are now going to 'fix' it again? Oh, this should be pr-ice-less!

Er, so to speak.

Here's a fresh, hot clue for the synaptically-challenged in the once-Golden State: simply bar speculation on the part of any power provider. Let 'em hedge costs and production any way they like, but no Texas hedges, no swingbacks, no retransmissions to game the system. In short order, the efficient power providers will capture the market, the inefficient will be out of business and get nice crony jobs in Sacramento, and everyone will be happy until the Assembly is back in session.

Why, who knows, someone may even come up with actual incentives for people or companies to provide more power.

Naaahh, not in the PR of Calbania. Sorry, was just deaming idly...

6 posted on 04/20/2003 3:23:47 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I don't know if electricity prices were lowered in Texas under deregulation. Even if they were, you need to give it some time. Texas deregulation is only one year old.
7 posted on 04/20/2003 3:27:00 PM PDT by Mihalis
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To: Mihalis; Dog Gone
Dog Gone says his electric bill is down 25% I believe!

And in humid climate like Houston that has to be chunk of change!

8 posted on 04/20/2003 3:30:56 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: Mihalis
The fact is that the traditional vertically integrated utility model has worked very well in the past. It gave consumers electricity at low prices and with a high degree of supply continuity.

Actually, the reason that California attempted to restructure it's electricity market was that electricity there was selling for 50% more that the rest of America.

The reason for that (primarily) was the massive cost overrun at the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant caused by the intervenors. They wanted DCPP shut down, but didn't want to pay for the alternatives.

These days, the envirals have insisted that plant emissions in California be 10% or less of the rest of America. They don't want to pay for that, either.

Then, of course, the state if infested with NIMBYS and BANANAS who make building power plants in the state prohibitively expensive.

And when the power has to be imported from elsewhere, everyone screams "Energy Pirates Are Gouging Us!!!".

What I am trying to say is that monopolies that have worked well in the more rational parts of the country do not work in California for the simple reason that the morons there want something for nothing.

They think they can vote themselves clean, abundant, reliable, almost-free electricity. They can't.

9 posted on 04/20/2003 3:41:49 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: SAJ
Having 'fixed' electricity pricing once, the same morons are now going to 'fix' it again? Oh, this should be pr-ice-less!

Sadly, it was a Republican that came up with the brilliant deregulation legislation. Brulte authored it, and Wilson signed it.

10 posted on 04/20/2003 3:44:24 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (For all your tagline needs. Don't delay! Orders shipped overnight.)
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To: Bella_Bru; snopercod
The Democrats had a heavy hand in screwing it up at the last minute. We have debated this endlessly on the Calpowercrisis threads.

Steve Peace - a Democrat - had a very big hand in the DEED!!!
11 posted on 04/20/2003 3:55:20 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
True, but we cannot forget nor give a pass to "our own" who had a hand in it.
12 posted on 04/20/2003 3:58:54 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (For all your tagline needs. Don't delay! Orders shipped overnight.)
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To: Bella_Bru
Certainly true, and both are now thank Heavens out of office if not (sadly) out of politics.

The point was not about 'Rats or Pubbies (or RINOs, in Wilson's case), but was about the laughability of the same class of idiots having another go at their state's totally self-induced 'crisis'. Oh, they've changed the faces in the Assembly since Plan One, you say? Yawn. Big difference.

I don't care which party authors the next (haha) 'plan'; they'll get it wildly wrong again, for a number of reasons, chief among them being that political types simply refuse to understand the nature of energy mkts. When supply is ample (or supply/demand are in 'balance' if you prefer), absolutely anyone can manage a broad energy market; pick a bright kid from the sixth grade -- he'll do just fine and you'll save on salaries. When supply is NOT ample, however, you'd damned well better have someone in charge who knows what's what, and what to do about it, and how, and P-D-freakin-Q. And they didn't. Not even close.

I should have been more ruthless -- WAY more ruthless -- trading energy in 2000-2001 with those dipsticks at ISO. Unfortunately, I still held the naive belief at that time that it wasn't sporting to shoot at sitting ducks, and it wasn't nice to take candy from babies. Great bloody h*ll, I could have(still can, if they're stupid enough to reinstitute a similar scheme) taken any reasonably sane adult human and teach him or her in well under a day how to profit (quite legally) from that lunatic so-called deregulation scheme. There's not a doubt in the world that there were thousands of other traders who could have done and did do the same, probably even more effectively in most cases.

The only thing that's at all surprising is that the really sizeable traders didn't take Calbania to the cleaners WELL BEFORE they did. Sheesh, can you even imagine a 'system' that treats electric power as (effectively) infinitely fungible regardless of time and location? That's whatcha had, m'friend. Can't WAIT to see Plan Two!

13 posted on 04/20/2003 4:08:35 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: snopercod
Very well said!
14 posted on 04/20/2003 4:10:51 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: SAJ; snopercod; Mihalis; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Bella_Bru
Anyone on this thread have any thoughts about the future of IPPs (Independent Power Producers) given the propensity of California to re-regulate. As a holder of shares in Calpine this is not an academic question for me. Reliant, Mirant, Duke, El Paso are some of the others hanging by a thread.
15 posted on 04/20/2003 4:19:11 PM PDT by ricpic
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To: SAJ
This could be done without forcing every customer to live at the mercy of the utilities, and without suppressing the understandable desire of large, energy-dependent business users and small communities to free themselves from the monopolies.

The liberal's idea of utopia--everyone is equally MISERABLE.

Appreciate your knowledgable comments.

16 posted on 04/20/2003 5:39:32 PM PDT by randita
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
There is only one question to be asked of the California legislators:

"How will you screw it up this time?"

17 posted on 04/20/2003 6:11:14 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: ricpic
I hope you bought before 1999 or very recently.

There was an item on Calpine here recently.

CALPINE SAYS DELOITTE DIDN'T QUIT OVER ACCOUNTING DISPUTE

18 posted on 04/20/2003 6:19:17 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
What California's Democreeps really want is everyone with an electric meter outside their state forced to pay higher rates in order to subsidize cheap power for their state. That's what their "excessive profit" gripes were all about.
19 posted on 04/20/2003 6:59:43 PM PDT by BushIsALiberal
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To: randita
Amazing how many people still think (or, at least, act as if) there's such a thing as a free lunch.
20 posted on 04/20/2003 10:02:39 PM PDT by SAJ
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