Claire, the Lean, Mean, Killing Machine: This Woman's Army

Toogood Reports ^ | 4 May 2003 | Nicholas Stix

[Luke]

The military has one job: To win wars. Winning wars means killing the enemy, and seizing real estate. And you don't do that while protecting coeds with flowers in their helmets.

You got that right!

[dark_lord]

On the other hand, I like the fact that the Arabs have to deal with the fact that we had girls on our team and we kicked their ass. Hey, Fedayeen! Our women can beat your men without smearing their mascara! Haha!

[GovGirl]

Hey, I'm all for women in the military. The male soldiers need to just be trained to deal with a different situation.

There's a Psych study done by (I believe)the DOD, which described how when women were involved in figthing, the men wouldn't leave the fallen body of a female. The men were overly protective of the women. Meanwhile, the same study detailed how physiologically women were better suited for Sub and Flight duty.

Just something to consider. I think there's a world of things women can take that men can't even conceive of. We're a lot stronger than men think. Jessica Lynch is someone I see as a role model for women in the military, not a reason to exclude us.

[mrustow]

I think there's a world of things women can take that men can't even conceive of. We're a lot stronger than men think. Jessica Lynch is someone I see as a role model for women in the military, not a reason to exclude us.

What are those things you're speaking of? Do any of them have to do with the ability to march long distances, and sometimes run, while carrying a 60 lb. pack, and then engage the enemy in a fight to the death? And then carry a wounded buddy on your back for a couple of miles? You sound just like the female Marine impersonator the article cites.

As for Jessica Lynch, she's great role model, if your goal in life is to be a prisoner of war. But she was no hero. The heroes were the SEALs and rangers who rescued her. You know, the guys who didn't get any of the limelight, and who won't be getting any book or movie deals.

I think you need to read the studies of women's combat abilities. You can start by hitting the link to Fred Reed's article.

As for your claim that a study showed women to be physiologically "better suited for Sub and Flight duty," I please provide your source.

[mrustow]

BUMP

[Servant of the Nine]

As long as they have different standards for women, or lower "Unisex" standards so that women can meet them, the whole idea of women in combat is a joke.

Feminists have to come up with some women who can meet the original mens standards, and want to, before there is even anything to discuss.

So9

[dark_lord]

Do any of them have to do with the ability to march long distances, and sometimes run, while carrying a 60 lb. pack, and then engage the enemy in a fight to the death? And then carry a wounded buddy on your back for a couple of miles?

And when did most of the US military have to be able to meet those standards? Back circa 1918. Today, maybe 25% of the military are infantry grunts of some type or otherwise need those strength and endurance skills (like navy bomb loaders). The rest are techs, tweeks, and clerks. Which women can handle.

[mrustow]

I hope you're really young. Because women have worked for generations as clerks and such, through female military branches which never sought to perpetrate the fiction that the military could be gender-integrated. but youth is no excuse for having strong opinions on a subject, without doing any of your homework. Facts are helpful things.

[mrustow]

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[dark_lord]

Blow it out your ear, moron. I am ex-service and tell you straight out -- most military jobs excluding infantry grunt and heavy lifting jobs can be done by women. In your ignorance you appear oblivious to the fact that MOST military slots are REMF slots.

[hattend]

Watched the reality series "Boot Camp" on the History Channel.

Cameras followed 6 Army recruits (3 women, 3 men) through Army Basic Training. Most of the stuff pointed out above came out in that series. What was interesting is the women and the men trained together (when I was in "co-ed" AF basic [1977] we still trained separately)

Women aren't built for combat, physically or emotionally.

[CheneyChick]

Thank you.

[taxcontrol]

Combat, combat support, support

Last I checked, those three classifications were used to describe all MOS (jobs for those in civies) possitions.

I have no problem with women in support or limited roles in combat support troops. I do have a problem with combat roles.

Infantry, tankers, artillery or any role that puts rounds on target (A10s, attack helicopters, etc.) should not be open to females.

Combat support roles should be available - providing there are not reduced standards or different standards for the females.

Also, fitness standards should be based upon job requirements. The standard Army PT test requires running 2 miles. For infantry, a forced march of 15 miles is a more appropriate test. Perhaps these additional requirements could be combined with annual qualification or MOS certification.

Just my .02

[ChuckHam]

most military jobs excluding infantry grunt and heavy lifting jobs can be done by women. In your ignorance you appear oblivious to the fact that MOST military slots are REMF slots

This may be true but what you need to realize is a bunch of those jobs you call RE can quickly become combat slots........ask Jessica Lynch. Jobs that have been opened up to women that are considered combat support should have the same physical requirements of direct combat positions for just the reason I previously stated.

[mrustow]

Blow it out your ear, moron. I am ex-service and tell you straight out -- most military jobs excluding infantry grunt and heavy lifting jobs can be done by women. In your ignorance you appear oblivious to the fact that MOST military slots are REMF slots.

You know what, I don't care if you're ex-service. I've listened to enough characters like you, with IQs in the minus range, to last a lifetime. Being ex-service gives you no free ride, for your stupidity and dishonesty!