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*** "These kids have done what they are supposed to do," he said. "They have gotten the credits they need. They have done community service work. This test is damaging kids psychologically, because there is too much weight to it."***

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Public education doesn't deliver. Grades do not reflect knowledge learned. Bumper stickers are slick advertising, not reality. Community service does not teach the basics. Testing is being done to salvage the notion that a high school diploma represents some level of achievement.

A cry in the black education wilderness

1 posted on 05/17/2003 12:21:01 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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"There is more to education than writing an answer," she said. "You have students that can do so many other things, and all should be used to determine if they should be promoted."

Then why in the world are we agonizing over education at all? Why are we putting billions of our taxed dollars into public education?

2 posted on 05/17/2003 12:25:04 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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We would not look at the boycott to last that long," she said. "We hope the people would put enough pressure on Governor Bush to change the test

LOL!

Talk about delusional.

Leftist teacher union garbage like Wilson caused the problem in the first place.

Some people equate being elected to a series of minor offices with omnipotence.

Wilson and her cronies are about to get slapped in the face with the reality of the publics demand that schools actually give diplomas to people who can read and write.

The students get 5 chances to score a passing grade of 40%, and they still can't pass!

The teachers union is exposed for the corrupt scam it is.

Jeb isn't going to lose one vote over this issue, start the boycott in support of stupidity now!

5 posted on 05/17/2003 12:44:49 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Convicted felons for Kerry)
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>>Many students who are in jeopardy of not graduating have already been accepted to colleges ...which shows they have already succeeded on some academic level. <<

Or it might show something else. Could these be N.Y. Times reporters in the making?

8 posted on 05/17/2003 12:54:40 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (This tagline has been banned.)
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Two reactions:

1) Why the HELL did the Florida House try to let dummies who can't get through the FCAT into community colleges? The high schools who didn't teach them should be paying for the remediation courses to get them to graduate--that money shouldn't be coming out of the community college budgets for students that deserve to be there learning higher concepts than high school level crap.

2) I PRAY the NAACP and Florida's other liberal black groups organize a boycott. As long as they start with ending the Black College Weekend in Daytona and the Heritage Bowl in Tampa while the FCAT is in place, I'll be happy. Knowing those events won't be screwing up traffic and producing a skyrocketing crime rate in those areas will be a dream come true. Hell, Daytona might start a ballot initiative to get FCAT into the Florida Constitution.
19 posted on 05/17/2003 2:24:01 AM PDT by LibertarianInExile ("MORONI DEPORTED TO SWEDEN - Claims He's Not From There!")
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Many students who are in jeopardy of not graduating have already been accepted to colleges and some have received athletic scholarships, Mr. Curry said, which shows they have already succeeded on some academic level.

If they can't pass a test that requires only 40% correct answers, I wonder what kind of scores they make on the SAT? My guess is they have someone else take the SAT for them.

Mr. Curry should be outraged at educators who are committing a form of fraud when they issue passing grades to students who then can't pass the state test.

20 posted on 05/17/2003 2:24:16 AM PDT by libertylover (Grateful to all who have served.)
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Oklahoma's got some hotel room vacancies this weekend if they are planning on running away. Maybe the Rat controlled state leg. will even pass a resolution of support for your cowardice.
24 posted on 05/17/2003 3:11:52 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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25 posted on 05/17/2003 3:15:17 AM PDT by RippleFire
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Many students who are in jeopardy of not graduating have already been accepted to colleges and some have received athletic scholarships, Mr. Curry said, which shows they have already succeeded on some academic level.

Okay. They got straight A's in gym, so they are obviously qualified for Harvard or Brown and a cub reporter position at the NY Times?

26 posted on 05/17/2003 3:45:42 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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"He is punishing students who do things right," said Bishop Victor T. Curry of the New Birth Baptist Church in Miami, who is leading the boycott threat.

Yet another moron heard from....

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29 posted on 05/17/2003 5:29:12 AM PDT by mhking
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I heard they can take it 5 times and they only have to make a 40 on it to pass. Here in Texas our kids have to pass the TASS test to graduate. They get several chances to take it. It is an 8th grade level test. I don't know how many kids pass or fail it, but my kids all thought it was easy. They passed it in 10th grade. No one is whining here about having to pass the TASS test. We do complain about all the time spent teaching to that test, instead of actually teaching new material. They waste a lot of time doing that, when they could be teaching math, science, history, English, etc.
30 posted on 05/17/2003 5:30:05 AM PDT by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary, Mistress of Darkness? Me Neither!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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This is a perfect example of race pimps acting as enablers for failure. "Protecting" children who have no skills to compete in the real world simply abandons them to the margins, where they will live out their days whining about the unfairness of it all and blaming their failures on the White Man.
32 posted on 05/17/2003 5:32:09 AM PDT by IronJack
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The NAACP has clearly become the heaviest mill stone around the necks of America's blacks...

They attack everything that brings standards of accomplishment or constraints on damaging behavior --- and ignore the ravages that have destroyed the black families in America..

The NAACP has done far more harm to blacks than the KKK could ever have dreamed to inflict..

Semper Fi
38 posted on 05/17/2003 5:53:03 AM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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Boohoo. Parents need to take responsibility and stop blaming the Govt for their failure to teach their children, whether teaching them in education, or teaching them that learning is good. And the teachers need to get of their fat union butts and do what they are supposed to do.

Let me give you a sample question from these "tests" they are crying over:

"Does the sun set in the East, or the West?"
I can see why the blacks are crying over how unfair life is.

If you aren't familiar, the black caucus of Florida also marched on the Governor for gettig rid of affirmative action, and this is tied into that.

39 posted on 05/17/2003 5:53:20 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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42 posted on 05/17/2003 6:02:26 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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Can't they all be employed at the New York Times? Truth and accuracy are concepts of dead white guys, after all.
47 posted on 05/17/2003 6:20:40 AM PDT by AmericanVictory
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More proof that Jeb Bush cares more about the minority students in Florida than do the "so-called" civil rights leaders.

FCAT Scores Among Blacks, Hispanics Up Considerably (Where's the Bias?)
click10.com ^ | 5-16-03 | AP


48 posted on 05/17/2003 6:49:34 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("The American people are proud of you and God bless each of you." Rummy to troops in Iraq)
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Lets all get out and protest the lack of intelligence in a part of the Florida community.

These failures will be voting in the next general election and another firestorm of protest will erupt due to the defeat of their dimo candidates.
49 posted on 05/17/2003 6:52:43 AM PDT by hgro
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Here is an article about a successful inner city school which offers a classical education to its students. This happens to be a Christian school, but classical education can be secular in nature.

http://www.immanuelpeoria.org/plh/classical/cemls.html
54 posted on 05/17/2003 7:13:27 AM PDT by ladylib
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"The students being supported by the activists have been given six chances to pass the test with a passing test score of at least 40 percent, but have failed at least one element."

Good grief, since when has 40 percent become a passing score on anything?
57 posted on 05/17/2003 8:58:35 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Mercy on a pore boy lemme have a dollar bill!)
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The students being supported by the activists have been given six chances to pass the test with a passing test score of at least 40 percent, but have failed at least one element.

That's a high bar?!? Six chances to score a frigging FORTY on a TENTH GRADE level of test is too high a bar for SENIORS? Sounds to me like it was constructed to be lax to the max.

Sure hope Jeb stays the course. At some point, someone MUST show unflinching courage to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

MM

59 posted on 05/17/2003 9:18:30 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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