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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
The problem isn't Powell, though, and that is where Newt made his mistake.

1. The Syria visit was the wrong fight to pick. It was NOT a situation where SECSTATE was going to roll over, but instead, it was more akin to laying down the law.

2. I would not be surprised if these lifers had ties to some of the more "progressive" members of Congress. A lot might depend on where they cover in the globe. Congress canmake life miserable for a cabinet officer.

Newt made some mistakes. He's right about the underlying issues at State. However, in some areas, he blew the call and made it a Gingrich vs. Powell fight, and that was one that Powell would win in the court of public opinion hands down. Look at the comparative approval numbers.

Newt had the underlying problems right, but he could have brought them to light much better.
19 posted on 05/20/2003 4:12:32 PM PDT by hchutch (America came, America saw, America liberated; as for those who hate us, Oderint dum Metuant)
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To: hchutch
Sigh....

Who exactly is making this a Gingrich vs. Powell? Other than those that demonized him for saying it, it was Newt's defenders, if you could have called them that, who were trying to focus his comments on the lack of roads being paved in Afganistan under State's authority. Your buddy Powell wouldn't even address the content of Newt's comments, only beat a strawman that because he mentioned going to Syria was wrong, that Newt obviously was bashing Bush. No data about the roads, no repudiation, no championing State Dept sucesses, just the plain old politics of person destruction. No one at that time wanted to criticisize Bush, and Powell knew it and hid behind his legs. It was a cheap shot and I have lost all respect for Powell after that and no longer give him the bennefit of the doubt in these diplomatic failures.

akin to laying down the law. How, exactly, is traveling to the foreign capital laying down anything other than moral authority and the threat of immenent force? You may not see it as a sign of weakness, but I promise you the Arab world did. If they came to meet him in Washington, maybe-but this was a dumb move and nothing since then has proven Newt wrong about this point of contention that the Powell Amen Choir repeated.

Newt had the underlying problems right, but he could have brought them to light much better. How exactly? Could he have possibly distanced the topic from Powell personally any more than he did in his comments, before and after the infamous speech? Not without changing the content of his remarks, which everyone agrees were dead on.This story has been pure spin, brought forth by State's powerful friends in the liberal media shifting the gravity of the discussion. An amazing feat to quote this speech yet never address the meat of the discussion. Now that is spin!

They used your allegiance to Bush against you. No offense, but you've been played.

20 posted on 05/20/2003 4:51:55 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Press Secret; Of 2 million Shiite pilgrims, only 3000 chanted anti Americanisms--source-Islamonline!)
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