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Seems to be some trouble in the Hydrogen Utopia.

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[Fabozz]

"North American car companies are experimenting with the clean and localized production of hydrogen by using electricity to break down water and thus circumvent the carbon dioxide-storage issue."

No, not "circumvent," merely "disguise." 80% of the electricity in North America comes from the burning of fossil fuels and thus the production of CO₂. Anyone advocating a "hydrogen economy" is either secretly pushing nuclear power (like Bush and Cheney) or is a buffoon (like Jeremy Rifkin).

[Luke Skyfreeper]

Although hydrogen cars would not emit the potent greenhouse gas carbon dioxide, making power plants cleaner burning could achieve the same effect at 1/10 the cost, says the paper published today in the U.S. journal Science.

Hydrogen is currently made as an offshoot of oil and coal refining. But this process creates a huge amount of carbon dioxide.

Bwaaahaaahaaahaahaaa!

[marron]

Hydrogen is currently made as an offshoot of oil and coal refining.

Repeat as often as necessary until you get it.

[BenLurkin]

[Jeff Chandler]

>>the potent greenhouse gas carbon dioxide<<

CO2 is now "potent"? Give me a break! If the goal of hydrogen power is to reduce CO2 emmisions, then we are fools. Global temperatures are beyond our control.

It is ridiculous to build an infrastructure for widespread use of hydrogen fuel. Alternative fuels are only practical for local fleet use, where the fuel and qualified maintenance personnel and supplies can be centrally located.

Is there not one person in public life with any sense at all?!

[HAL9000]

Hydrogen cars hold expensive surprises

So does my current car.

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Ping

[HighWheeler]

These libs throw this out as if is established fact:

"No one is sure how to keep that carbon dioxide from escaping into the atmosphere and heating up the planet."

[TC Rider]

"Today, fossil fuels are relatively cheap. When we use up half the supply of the world's oil, the price is going to shoot up. Will that be 2010 or 2020 or 2037? Nobody knows for sure," said Jeremy Rifkin, a Washington-D.C.-based economist and author of the recent book The Hydrogen Economy.

I wonder if anyone asked the tired hack, Rifkin, if this would happen before or after the ice age? ..or the ice caps melting? ..or any of the other scare scenarios he's promoted through the years.

[Salman]

Hindenburg-mobiles, Oh the humanity!

[Joined2Justify]

Here's a tidbit on a hydrogen car I saw.

It was the early 60's in wealthy burbs north of Detroit. I was driving with Dad and he pointed it out "Oh there's ***, that car is powered by hydrogen". I don't recall ***'s name, but Dad said he was head of GM Tech.

Now the first thing I said was "Dad, that's guy's drivin a rolling bomb, he could take out the neighborhood!" Then Dad said, "oh it's a bomb alright, *** told me it has very impressive acceleration, as to being explosive, it doesn't store the hydrogen. I bumped into him at the Mobil station at Long Lake and Woodward where he was cleaning his windshield and had a look under the hood. Two thick walled pint nalgene canisters, one of hydogen peroxide the other of hydrochloic acid. (Dad explained which dripped into which, but I don't recall). So it goes from the second canister straight to the injectors". Guy was also bragging it went 3 months on one fill up.

Now I'm not a chemist, but having grown up in Detriot I can guarantee that if you develop something like this and don't sell it to one of the Big3 when they come calling (who will without doubt add it to a long list other fuel "saving" improvements lining their circular dead files), you will find yourself wearing some mighty heavy shoes and taking on water very rapidly.

So much for integrity in that town. btw, In searching the net high and low for any info on this 64' Tornado this interesting link came up.

http://www.freeenergy.co.za/1think/supressed/suppressed.htm

[DH]

I really love the fact that these "greenies" don't ever address the fact that these cars will cause a huge toxic problem with BATTERY disposals. You will never hear of this problem due to much larger batteries or the need for many batteries per vehicle.

[tkathy]

I've listened to hydrogen fuel pushers, and the money would all stay in our economy. Money for fossil fuel goes directly to the Arabs to spread Muslim murder and hatred worldwide.

[George Frm Br00klyn Park]

""But we think we will overtake the internal-combustion engine eventually.""

PBWY, They need a new "spokesman". The hydrogen cars use internal combustion too. Peace and love, George.

[Publius6961]

Explosive?

Oooops.
Sorry... I read that wrong.

Never mind.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

"Today, fossil fuels are relatively cheap. When we use up half the supply of the world's oil, the price is going to shoot up. Will that be 2010 or 2020 or 2037? Nobody knows for sure," said Jeremy Rifkin, a Washington-D.C.-based economist and author of the recent book The Hydrogen Economy.

Pure hogwash, in his book, The Skeptical Environmentalist (Cambridge University Press), author Bjorn Lomberg points out that $40 per barrel oil will immediately increase world reserves from a 40 years supply to 250 years because vast known oil shale deposits will become economically viable.

And it's domestically produced. Place a $40/BBL tariff on imported oil and put Saudi Arabia out of bussiness forever. Use the resulting $90 Billion/yr to reduce income taxes. I tend to be a free trader and libertarian, but the current situation puts us at the mercy of savages.

[stig]

From a scientific point of view this article is wrong. The worst offending greenhouse gas is water vapor. A water molecule traps more heat and accounts for more atmosphereic gas than does carbon dioxide. Putting more of it into the atmosphere will only make matters worse.

[gatex]

"... potent greenhouse gas carbon dioxide ...."

Senator Barbara Boxer said today that the EPA has just advised her that humans also emit the potent carbon dioxide when breathing --- so she will ask for studies by the EPA into ways to reduce this potent emission by humans.

[Consort]

It's strange that so many people are dissing hydrogen fuel. A small hydrogen fuel cell may eventually power homes and get us off the grid.