Freeper Grassroots Movement to Re-Elect Bush

July 24, 2003 | nwrep

[AAABEST]

Why would you eliminate the least socialist of the group first, granting power and victory to the demmocrats, thereby dooming your effort from the start?

I'd like to answer that if I may.

I for one may or may not wind up voting for GWB in 2004. Even if I do, I'm certain that I will never, ever go into the street for him (or anyone else in his family)ever again.

It's not that I would avoid grass roots activity out of spite or revenge, it's just that I'm not motivated. I would have went to jail for GWB (thank God I didn't) 3 years ago and now I'd be hard pressed to take the time out of my day to pull a lever for him. If you want to know the truth if the election were right now, I'd feel like I was going against my conscience and convictions by voting for such a person.

People could threaten all they like with comments like "would you rather have a dem" or some such, but that doesn't change how one feels about things they hold dear. people can say "you better or else" all they like, but people aren't inspired by fear.

The fatal flaw in the Bush supporters tact was not just to ignore the conservative elements within the party, but to actually attack and make an enemy of it. This to me is an awful mistake which forces the party/team to rely on "mercenary" dems and fickle fair weather friends.

[joesbucks]

I know your concerns and share them. But Bush is the best we've got.

So why is that? Why do republicans only have the choice of Bush? Why is there not a good candidate willing to challenge him in the primary?

There must be candidates who are better than GWB. And by and large as a moderate, I like what he has done. But even I know that likely somewhere there is a person who not only could command a larger republican turnout, but could also entice conservative and moderate democrats to vote R. So where is this person and why isn't he or she willing to risk a primary challenge?

[joesbucks]

Being a good Republican, I'll wait to see if anyone runs against him in the primaries.

The person who risks challenging GWB would be destroyed by the machine of incumbency. It would be very hard to unseat a sitting president unless their negatives were very high. And even then, there is terrible risk for the person who dares do that.

[AppyPappy]

So? I can still vote for him if I want.

[Mark Felton]

"...assuming that the Republicans are socialists (which I do not)...

Then you do not understand socialism. You would do well to become educated in basic political philosophy.

"Why would you eliminate the least socialist of the group first, granting power and victory to the demmocrats, thereby dooming your effort from the start? "

I advocate the prosecution of both parties for violation of organized crime laws and conspiracy to subvert the Constitution.

Perhaps 30% of the current Republican party and 15% of the Democrat party are redeemable. They should break-off their current affiliations and come together to jointly form the basis of a new party that unifies the pro-Constitution members in each. That party could defeat the remnants of the other two.

The real problem is that both parties now spend too much time giving the people what they want (socialism) without relying on the Constitution to define the limits of their giving.

The socialist ambitions of the people will never be cured until the country is bankrupted or Constitutional limits are enforced. People always vote themselves money.

The anti-Constitutional ambitions of the politicians (who allow the people their socialism) cannot be cured until they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Which option do you prefer, Miss Marple, bankrupt socialism or a Constitutional republic?

Voting for the lesser of the socialists does not halt the advance of socialism.

[Miss Marple]

Pardon me if I work to re-elect the only person who is even remotely capable of implementing a few conservative policies and holding the democrats at bay, while ppotecting the nation.

You can stand on the sidelines and complain. My sister and my husband will pick up the slack.

[Mark Felton]

"Pardon me if I work to re-elect the only person who is even remotely capable of implementing a few conservative policies and holding the democrats at bay"

He has no intention of holding them at bay. He has embraced their programs and given them more than they ever expected.

I just received my tax rebate. This is "boob bait for the bubbas". It is a cynical attempt to stave-off his truly conservative voters who would otherwise be lynching him for his ernormous expansion of social engineering programs.

[Miss Marple]

I prefer survival. Electing a democrat while you attempt to implement your strategy will not work. Thirty percent of the Republicans and 15% of the democrats are redeemable you say. Well, that is 45%. Assuming you could get evey one of the people who are in those percentages, you still have a minority. Therefore, you are guaranteed to fail.

And while you are implementing this plan of yours, the democrats will stick together and win, grab power like crazy, and run this country straight into the ground.

Why you would push for such an obviously flawed plan is the question I have. Either you are deluded and think this has some hope of working or you actively wish to destroy the Republicans. I think it is the latter, and I think that you are working with the democrats for reasons of your own.

I want this country defendd from the terrorists. The Rats won't do it, they will have us following Kofi's lead in the UN, kowtowing to the EU, signing Kyoto, and letting our soldiers be prosecuted in the World Court. I am not doing one single thing that will help those things come to pass.

[RightOnGOP]

Good point, Sam. It's really true, and it's a bit irritating. Zencat, great encouragement.

nwrep, it's a noble goal, and what I was going to say, before chuckling at SamAdams' comments, was that if you could convince some of your fellow Freepers to get off their keyboards and get out doing something that gets votes, you could be very successful.

It's one thing to discuss philosophical differences, but it's another to prefer a Democrat over a Republican, when a Republican will be more likely to support your side of the political spectrum, more than 75% of the time.

Now, your original question, "how do we do this?": we do this by convincing people ONE BY ONE, just as you did. There's no better way to get this important mission done. It's up to all of us, to get the messages out there.

Thank goodness, there are now cable channels (FNC) sharing something other than the liberal regulars (ABCNBCCBSCNN). Also, talk radio provides more fair and balanced information than in the past. Most helpful of all, the internet/email provide us a way to pass along information to others around us, better than ever before.

Continue to pursue this noble goal, and don't be distracted by any fellow Freepers who TRY to distract you with nonsense about why you should NOT be pursuing this goal, because Bush is so bad!

:)

[Samurai_Jack]

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I make it a mission to rescue any and all from the clutches of those who manipulate the innocent.

This seems like an appropriate strategy for dealing with unreconstructed democrats.

[joesbucks]

You didn't answer the question. Who is willing to run against Bush and risk their political career by taking on an incumbent? There will be few. Where today are those who took on Bush I?
Who do you believe is willing to do it?

[Lazamataz]

So? I can still vote for him if I want.

No you can't. You will vote for who I tell you to. (Makes hypnotic movements with hands)

STARE INTO THIS HYPNOTIC IMAGE AND OBEY

[Mark Felton]

Pardon me if I work to re-elect the only person who is even remotely capable of implementing a few conservative policies and holding the democrats at bay

I was not clear, perhaps. I am referring to politicians who are currently in office. 30% of current Republicans and 15% of current Democrats would form a phenomenally successful core of a new party. New candidates, not yet in office, would challenge for all the other seats.

Succesful new parties are typically formed from splits in current parties. (displaced 3rd parties like the Greens, Libetarians, Reform are never really successful).

The actual total percentage of politicians in office from the split (30/15) would actually be about 22%.

No other 3rd party in the last 175 years has begun life controlling 22% of Congress. That 22% far exceeds the amount necessary to swing legislation and stop rampant socialism.

But more importantly that 22% would gain by far the majority of the vote of the middle class (particularly those that no longer vote) who have been working 50 hours a week January to May every year to fund the socialism.

That new party would actually represent the middle class.

Within 8 years they could be the dominant party. (At least 2 other parties would emerge from the tatters of the Rep/Dem parties during that time)

[carmody]

Will you name one current office holder (of the 45% "perfect" grass-roots/middle class party members) that you would support for President?

[Mark Felton]

"Either you are deluded and think this has some hope of working or you actively wish to destroy the Republicans. I think it is the latter, and I think that you are working with the democrats for reasons of your own."

Unlike you, I post using my real name.

I was the campaign manager for Bill Federer in 1998 when we ran against Dick Gephardt. I took 9 months out of my career to work to defeat Gephardt. I led a campaign that gave Gephardt his greatest challenge since he's been in office and directly led to his eventual retirement (he's not running again).

I've been an activist for the 2nd Amendment. I am an activist on education issues and we're homeschoolers. I am an entreprenuer, a capitalist and have worked in the defense industry for over 17 years.

My brother gaves his life for this country in US Navy in 1985. His son is in a tank in Mosul, Iraq at this very minute.

My ancestors fought in the US Revolution and every major war this country has ever had. They pioneered Western Pennsylvania in the late 1700's, they pioneered Tennessee in the early 1800's and they pioneered Missouri in the mid-1800's. They fought for the Missouri Brigades in the Civil War and moved to Texas in 1871 where we remain today.

Who are you, Miss Marple, to dare challenge my dedication to this country and the Constitution?

Your tribal dedication to the Republicans or any political party does a disservice to my ancestors and this country.

[putupon]

Unfortunately, GWB has vastly increased social spending.

1. Bush Federalized airport screeners, when the existing airport screeners wanted to stop the some of the 9-11 but were prevented due to racial profiling PC BS. How much money will this new federal employee group cost us and all future taxpayers when just let ting the existing ones be free to exercise common sense would have corrected the problem?

2. Campaign Finance Reform. Bush gave advance notice to the Senate MaCainiac RINO Caucus they could trash the US Constitution w/out fear of veto.

3. Socialized Medications for Seniors,(& guess who's already in an office to begin expanding on that boondoggle; W has opened the door wider for the Socialized Medicine crowd.)

4. Open Borders w/ Mexico.

5. A year before Saudis were required to follow increased visa security checks that people from other terrorist nations have to follow since 9-11.

6. 15 Billion for African despots to put in their Swiss accounts. Taylor in Liberia has probably been holding out so long in an attempt to get his cut.

Flame me, torch me, call me a Bush Basher if you will, but I have my bonafides.

I donated money to the 2000 campaign. I took the children's Santa Claus money and gave it to the Bush Legal Defense Fund. I drove 200 miles and stood in the cold rain and wet snow to FReep Gore in DC (not really complaining there, it was fun).

Bush campaigned on small government and has now made the biggest increase Federal Entitlements since LBJ's Great Society.

So what positives have the Republicrats retained from the old Reagan GOP?

A watered down National Security policy is about all I can find that puts the above the 'RATs.

It is for that reason I will hold my nose and vote against what the Dims put up.

Bush gets my vote by default, but I really will have a hard time justifying sending the GOP another dime of my hard earned money.

[putupon]

I'd rather vote for Osama Bin Laden than GW Bush because Bush drank in college.

heh-heh-heh, that's a good one AP.

[Mark Felton]

"Will you name one current office holder (of the 45% "perfect" grass-roots/middle class party members) that you would support for President?"

That would be 22% of the current office holders, not 45%.

I would support Rep. Todd Akin, Missouri 2nd District. But there are numerous candidates who could unite the conservative and pro-liberty movements in both parties. Todd would be excellent, though.

[Gumption]

That's weird. After seeing your reply my clock jumped ahead 45 minutes and now I'm in a chicken suit. What's up with that?

[FITZ]

What illegals is your friend livid about and is she sure that they're illegals? Your friend should compare Florida to California. California created their illegal immigration problem.

California was only in part responsible ---but it's the federal government that has the responsibility of protecting the borders ---and now that California will soon be cutting programs, the indigent population pouring over from Mexico and other countries will head to other states. They will go where the biggest handouts are ----and every state has more handouts than the Mexican government does. The immigration problem we see now is only the tip of a very big iceburg.