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To: Alouette
The last progress in civilization they made was B.M.(Before Muhammed)

Of course you do know that Moorish Granada had a library with 25,000 books, a sewer systems, streets lite at night, and 100's of public baths, this is when the university of Paris had a library with 12 books(1200's), and one of the chief Abbesses in France bragged that she never bathed?
15 posted on 08/06/2003 8:18:22 AM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: Valin
Of course you do know that Moorish Granada had a library with 25,000 books, a sewer systems, streets lite at night, and 100's of public baths,

And a very large population of Christians and Jews who built and maintained these public works.

16 posted on 08/06/2003 8:24:04 AM PDT by Alouette (Every democratic politician should live next door to a pimp, so he can have someone to look up to.)
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To: Valin
Of course you do know that Moorish Granada had a library with 25,000 books, a sewer systems, streets lite at night, and 100's of public baths...

Mind you, the Moors that ruled southern Spain were in many ways quite distinct from the Arabs that conquered from the east. It's very likely the Moors back then spoke their own language as much as Arabic.

In my opinion, the reason why Islam grew so fast just after Mohammaed's time was just as much economic as political--after all, the Arabian peninsula was a crossroads of trade between Europe and Asia and down the east coast of Africa. Because the Arabs effectively cornered that east-west trade small wonder why the Europeans looked fervently for a way to NOT having to deal with the Arabs when trading for goods from Asia, hence the numerous exploration voyages from the 1400's on by European powers.

Ironically, many of the greatest achievements of Islam were NOT done the Arabs. Saladin was a Kurd that beat back the Crusaders from what is now Israel and Lebanon; it was the Ottoman Turks that finally overran Constantinople and put an end to the Byzantine Empire; and it was Moors of northwest Africa that created the great Islamic cities of southern Spain. I think within 20 years Bahrain, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates will be the richest countries in the Persian Gulf, mostly because all three countries have figured out that their geographical location could make them the warehouse of Eurasia quite easily and help revive the ancient trading routes through the Arabian Peninsula.

22 posted on 08/06/2003 8:34:05 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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