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CA: Deal clears the way for fuel cell cars in California
EE Times ^ | August 18, 2003 (4:17 p.m. ET) | Charles J. Murray

Posted on 08/19/2003 4:07:19 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

PARK RIDGE, Ill. — California and the automotive industry settled their legal differences last week, setting the stage for the emergence of fuel cell cars and likely writing off any broad acceptance of battery-powered vehicles.

General Motors Corp., DaimlerChrysler Corp., Isuzu Motors Ltd. and approximately a dozen vehicle dealers agreed to drop their lawsuit against the state in return for new zero-emission-vehicle regulations that would no longer force automakers to build battery-powered cars.

"The key is the enactment of those [regulations]," said a GM spokesman. "Once that happens, all of us will dismiss the lawsuit and move forward."

Issued by the California Air Resources Board, the new regulations would be similar to zero-emission standards in New York, Massachusetts and Vermont, giving automakers more flexibility in the types of zero-emission vehicles they could sell. The flexibility would free manufacturers from building full-size battery powered cars, a mandate that most have been fighting for five years.

With the new regulations, industry experts said, it becomes increasingly unlikely that a major automaker will try to build a battery-powered car any time soon.'Probably the end'
"This is probably the end for those kinds of vehicles," said David Cole, director of the Center for Automotive Research and a Fellow of the Society of Automotive Engineers. "What has happened is that the California Air Resources Board understands the economic realities. They know now they can't squeeze blood out of a turnip."

But California regulators, repeating a sentiment often expressed by electric-vehicle loyalists, last week mourned the apparent demise of battery-powered models. "Virtually everyone who has ever driven one of those vehicles loves it," said a spokesman for the Air Resources Board. "They run great; they're quiet and reliable. Unfortunately, the auto companies don't want to make them anymore."

The automaker sued in 2001 after California laid out a plan for them to sell a limited number of zero-emission vehicles by 2003. Calling the mandate unconstitutional, General Motors was the first to sue, and other automakers followed.

Automotive engineers called the battery the key problem. Unlike batteries in laptops and cell phones, which cost more than $1,000 per kilowatt-hour, electric-vehicle batteries had to achieve a cost ceiling of less than $100/kW-hr, which suppliers never reached. Also, energy density of electric-vehicle batteries hovered around 70 to 100 watt-hours per kilogram, which automotive engineers called unacceptable.

As a result, despite their quick acceleration and quiet ride, battery-powered vehicles lacked the range, quick recharge time and cost that the auto industry said it needed.

"The more we have found out about battery-powered vehicles, the less confident we are that a battery will ever be developed that meets the criteria of the auto industry," Cole said.

Automakers said that the shortcomings of the battery resulted in woefully low leases of electric vehicles. "Eight hundred leases in four years does not have the environmental impact that anyone needs," the GM spokesman said.

Regulators and environmentalists, however, never fully accepted the automakers' contention that it couldn't be done. "Most of the automakers vehemently opposed the rules and tried various ways to avoid them, including legislative lobbying and outright lawsuits," said the Air Resources Board spokesman.

Still, California's new regulations recognize that other technologies-including hybrid vehicles, cleaner gasoline-powered engines and fuel cell vehicles-are approaching the state's low-emission goals.

The new regulations call for automakers to start out toward a 10 percent sales goal with a combination of those types of vehicles by 2005, ultimately completing the percentage goal by 2008.

The wild card in the mix is the fuel cell-powered vehicle, which General Motors has said it plans to start selling by 2010. The company has even said that it wants to be the first automaker to sell a million fuel cell vehicles.

"Everyone now sees fuel cells as the holy grail," the GM spokesman said. "We just don't foresee the kinds of roadblocks that we saw with battery-electrics in terms of range and fueling time."

While the automotive fuel cell is considered a gamble, however, cleaner gasoline-powered cars (called PZEVs, for partial zero-emission vehicles) and hybrids are not. GM has said that it now has the capacity to build 1 million hybrids a year.

Analysts said last week that the state of California's acceptance of other low-emission technologies is a sign that the Air Resources Board and industry are coming together. "The settlement of the lawsuit suggests they've found some common ground," Cole of the Center for Automotive Research.

Still, California emphasizes, battery-powered vehicles will continue to be recognized for credit under its new zeroemission vehicle regulations.

"We've left it open," said the Air Resources Board spokesman. "If somebody wants to build a battery-powered car, they still can."


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1 posted on 08/19/2003 4:07:19 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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2 posted on 08/19/2003 4:08:00 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (All we need from a Governor is a VETO PEN!!!)
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3 posted on 08/19/2003 4:11:11 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Battery driven cars = another enviral whacko failure of the Watermelon Enviral Jihadists.

I would like to have the money wasted by all of the city, county, and state governments on electrical cars, pickups and buses the past 2 decades.

I think that I told you this sad but true story. One of the women who works in the office where my wife works is a nice but totally confused enviralists.

She was actually going to place an order for an electric car in Jan 2001, when we were having the rolling black outs.

My wife told her that if she bought one, she would stop speaking to her except to make fun of her car that wouldn't run because of no electricity. Everyone in the office pick on this hapless enviral until she cancelled her order for a battery driven car.
4 posted on 08/19/2003 4:22:43 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Gray Davis = Bill Clinton without the conscience + Al Gore without the charm = Total Recall Time!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Translation - the environuts lost this one.
5 posted on 08/19/2003 4:23:00 PM PDT by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
How fast can the cars go?

Just wondering...

DD
6 posted on 08/19/2003 4:25:09 PM PDT by DiamondDon1
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To: DiamondDon1
They have to design them, I guess!
7 posted on 08/19/2003 4:27:49 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (All we need from a Governor is a VETO PEN!!!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Buying an electric car dependent on electric power while the state is having blackouts doesn't seem too smart! Duh!
8 posted on 08/19/2003 4:29:40 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (All we need from a Governor is a VETO PEN!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"We've left it open," said the Air Resources Board spokesman. "If somebody wants to build a battery-powered car, they still can."

How wonderful that we can still build things in this country because the government lets us.

9 posted on 08/19/2003 4:34:19 PM PDT by narby
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To: DiamondDon1
"How fast can the cars go?"

On the flat, the GM electric car was good for bursts of 75 mph, but I remember watching one in Los Angeles climb the Sepulveda grade during rush hour, during the period that GM gave them out for the extended testing period, in the early '90s.

This little piggy was in the far right lane, going about 20 mph, holding up all the big rigs, and the driver didn't look happy at all. I don't know if he even made it to the top of the grade, since regular traffic was doing 40 mpg and he fell out of sight quickly.
10 posted on 08/19/2003 4:36:23 PM PDT by spoiler2
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To: spoiler2
Whoops, 40 mpg should read 40 mph!
11 posted on 08/19/2003 4:37:46 PM PDT by spoiler2
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
This poor lady is an art major from UC Zerkley and went to school during the late 60's and early 70's.
12 posted on 08/19/2003 4:38:23 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Gray Davis = Bill Clinton without the conscience + Al Gore without the charm = Total Recall Time!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I'd like to know how the enviros intend to create hydrogen for the fuel cells. If they respond by telling me that they are going to create them from fuel cells, I'm going to laugh my butt off.
13 posted on 08/19/2003 4:53:20 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: DiamondDon1
0-60 in about three days.
14 posted on 08/19/2003 5:04:58 PM PDT by SVTCobra03
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To: Dog Gone
I'd like to know how the enviros intend to create hydrogen for the fuel cells.

it would appear to me that propane would be the most likely fuel simply because the pressures are easily manageable and the delivery systems exist.

To me, to focus upon cars as a way to start this market is terribly wrong. The risk is outrageous, because the cost of developing a proven safe fuel delivery infrastructure is astronomical for an enormous market that doesn't exist. IMHO, the natural initial market for fuel cells would be stationary propane applications in remote locations, where line losses and maintenance costs warranted a replacement. Then we could convert that system to LNG. Once the stationary LNG infrastructure was there, then an automotive system might make more sense.

I think that hybrid cars make a nice bridge technology to fuel cells. It creates the opportunity to develop the drive train for the day when the source is fully proven.

15 posted on 08/19/2003 5:09:25 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (California! See how low WE can go!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Any calculation of how 'clean' these cars are must include:

the cost of manufacturing all the batteries and disposing of their noxious contents
and, the cost and means of generating any electricity that might be used to charge them
and, the cost and means of production of any hydrogen source they might require.

When the math is real, these things are revealed as the BOONDOGGLE they really are.

16 posted on 08/19/2003 5:10:16 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I like to ask advocates of all-electric vehicles: how will you air-condition it?

Silence.

The A/C can take more power than the engine at highway speeds. The usual solution is (Surprise!) a small gasoline engine to run the air conditioner.

Imagine an all-electric battery car in a hot place like, say, Phoenix...

--Boris

17 posted on 08/19/2003 5:15:56 PM PDT by boris (Education is always painful; pain is always educational.)
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To: Carry_Okie
"Then we could convert that system to LNG. Once the stationary LNG infrastructure was there, then an automotive system might make more sense."

So what do you think of the safety issue of all those people handling LNG?

Remember, it's pressurized to some 2,000 psi in order to become a liquid.

18 posted on 08/19/2003 5:22:08 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: Carry_Okie
If we develop energy sources, like nukes, that can deliver power to create the hydrogen, that would be nice.

But somehow the public may be under the impression that a new, pollution-free energy source exists.

It's not true. We can't drill a hydrogen well. Hydrogen has to be manufactured, and it will necessarily require more energy to do so than the hydrogen produces.

We can't fool Mother Nature.

19 posted on 08/19/2003 5:32:06 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
The hydrogen can be derived from water in units that sit in your home garage. The byproducts are hydrogen and oxygen.
20 posted on 08/19/2003 5:54:10 PM PDT by Bob J
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