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Shroud of Turin: Old as Jesus?
The New York Times: Science ^ | 27 January 2005 | The New York Times

Posted on 01/27/2005 12:38:42 AM PST by ultima ratio

Shroud of Turin: Old as Jesus? By THE NEW YORK TIMES

Published: January 27, 2005

he Shroud of Turin is much older than the medieval date that modern science has affixed to it and could be old enough to have been the burial wrapping of Jesus, a new analysis concludes.

Since 1988, most scientists have confidently concluded that it was the work of a medieval artist, because carbon dating had placed the production of the fabric between 1260 and 1390.

In an article this month in the journal Thermochimica Acta, Dr. Raymond N. Rogers, a chemist retired from Los Alamos National Laboratory, said the carbon dating test was valid but that the piece tested was about the size of a postage stamp and came from a portion that had been patched.

"We're darned sure that part of the cloth was not original Shroud of Turin cloth," he said, adding that threads from the main part of the shroud were pure linen, which is spun from flax.

The threads in the patched portion contained cotton as well and had been dyed to match.

From other tests, he estimated that the shroud was between 1,300 and 3,000 years old.

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TOPICS: Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: shroud; tests; threads

1 posted on 01/27/2005 12:38:42 AM PST by ultima ratio
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2 posted on 01/27/2005 12:41:19 AM PST by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: ultima ratio

Great to see you!


3 posted on 01/27/2005 10:51:48 AM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: ultima ratio

Wonderful news. Some day I'd like to take a pilgrimage to Turin, and also to Oviedo to see the Sudarium.


4 posted on 01/27/2005 12:36:41 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: ultima ratio

Stick with the Word. John 20:7 says "And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself." The linen clothes are plural here and in Luke 24:12.

My thoughts: We are being shown that there was at least two pieces of cloth involved. The "napkin, that was about his head" being a separate piece. Therefore, the body linens from the head down would show no signs of being wrapped about the head, and vice-versa.


5 posted on 01/27/2005 8:07:33 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Zuriel

Actually, the speculation is that the sudarium was pinned around Jesus' head to absorb the blood after he was taken down from the cross. It was later set aside as the body was enshrouded and laid in the tomb. The sudarium left no image as did the shroud, but there were stains from the nose and cheekbones and beard, plus some others coincidental with the shroud. In an article written by Mark Guscin, a scholar who has studied both the shroud and the sudarium, many points of coincidence were found. ("The Sudarium of Oviedo: Its History and Relation to the Shroud of Turin".) Here is his summary:

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3: Coincidence with the Shroud

The sudarium alone has revealed sufficient information to suggest that it was in contact with the face of Jesus after the crucifixion. However, the really fascinating evidence comes to light when this cloth is compared to the Shroud of Turin.

The first and most obvious coincidence is that the blood on both cloths belongs to the same group, namely AB.

The length of the nose through which the pleural oedema fluid came onto the sudarium has been calculated at eight centimetres, just over three inches. This is exactly the same length as the nose on the image of the Shroud.

If the face of the image on the Shroud is placed over the stains on the sudarium, perhaps the most obvious coincidence is the exact fit of the stains with the beard on the face. As the sudarium was used to clean the man's face, it appears that it was simply placed on the face to absorb all the blood, but not used in any kind of wiping movement.

A small stain is also visible proceeding from the right hand side of the man's mouth. This stain is hardly visible on the Shroud, but Dr. John Jackson, using the VP-8 and photo enhancements has confirmed its presence.

The thorn wounds on the nape of the neck also coincide perfectly with the bloodstains on the Shroud.

Dr. Alan Whanger applied the Polarized Image Overlay Technique to the sudarium, comparing it to the image and bloodstains on the Shroud. The frontal stains on the sudarium show seventy points of coincidence with the Shroud, and the rear side shows fifty. The only possible conclusion is that the Oviedo sudarium covered the same face as the Turin Shroud.




6 posted on 01/28/2005 12:31:10 AM PST by ultima ratio (I)
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