Posted on 05/22/2023 5:48:19 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
Why do you despise the rapture theology so much?
Hatred of it eats you like a cancer and you despise anyone who adheres to it.
What concern is it of yours if someone wants to hold on to the hope of deliverance from one of the worse times inn earth’s history?
You’d probably have been one of the ones mocking Noah, as well.
With your attitude towards those who disagree with you and your contempt and name calling, I'm beginning to wonder if you are even a Christian.
Why the hatred expressed to those who disagree with you?
Sorry buttercup, but you don’t get to state what The Holy Spirit interprets to other more discerning believers.
Your nastiness and vile responses show anything but FRUIT of the Spirit as dictated by the Bible.
You might need to take a chill pill before ever coming to my Pre-Tribulation Threads again.
There are MANY, who profess and acknowledge The Harpazo - the fact that you don’t and even sputter anger towards it, shows me you have a lot to learn. Both spiritually and just from a plain humanity perspective.
Lots of anger...always anger with those who hate Jesus’s promise.
I don’t need to wonder why.
You hate Paul too I suppose, since not only was he raptured, but he taught the Rapture.
Scripture dictates it.. what the Holy Spirit leads. or have you already forgotten Christ’s own Words…. Take ye heed.. behold I have foretold you all things.. stop playing games time is not on your side to learn all those things Christ foretold.. like the prophet Ezekiel.
There will be no soft landing for the fly away balloons..
Do you have a clue what the key of David is.. it does not fit the hot air depository.. but it is required understanding to know which Rock is being followed.
“There will be no soft landing for the fly away balloons..”
Really? Scripture dictates a Harpazo. There’s no refuting what it says either. Try to deflect with Ezekiel, David, or Goliath.
1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Corinthians 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Then who is the antichrist and when does Jesus return? When does this all happen?
Yep, we’re still waiting for your declaration of who is the antichrist which you posted upthread.
So...who is it?
——>I’ve been studying this for decades dude.
It takes faith to Believe Christ, His Word, and His Promises.
Sorry dude, but the SECRET PTR doctrine came from Satan.
“I am not aware that there was any definite teaching that there would be a SECRET RAPTURE of the Church at a secret coming, until this was given forth as an utterance in Mr. Irving’s Church, from what was there received as being the voice of the Spirit. But whether anyone ever asserted such a thing or not, it was from that supposed revelation that the modern doctrine and the modern phraseology respecting it arose. It came not from Holy Scripture, but from that which falsely pretended to be the Spirit of God, while not owning the true doctrine of our Lord’s incarnation in the same flesh and blood as His brethren, but without taint of sin.
The Hope of Christ’s Second Coming: How is it Taught in Scripture? And Why? S. P. Tregelles. March 17, 1864.
Isaiah 14
King James Version
14 For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
5 The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
22 For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the Lord.
23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the Lord of hosts.
24 The Lord of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.
26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.
27 For the Lord of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?
28 In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden.
29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.
30 And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.
31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.
32 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the Lord hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.
Ezekiel 28:
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
20 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
I could go on and on and on citing scripture after scripture that warns who the antichrist literally is ... There is no other entity that is supernatural that decided he would be god and a third of the children followed ... That why we are in this ‘flesh’ age and why only those born from ‘above’ (NOT again) will see the kingdon of God .... The book of Jude describes the fallen angels that refused to take this flesh journey and they will be disposed of at the return of Christ.
ALL action with Christ is going to take place here on God's green earth... because that is where Christ is going to be taking His rightful throne.
——>So...who is it? (the Antichrist)
Why won’t you, Metmom, and the rest of the PTR community admit that the bible CLEARLY states that the Little Horn Antichrist comes out of Pagan Rome and lasts until the second coming of Christ?
There’s only one answer as to who the antichrist power is. The Reformers had it right.
1) It will rise to be a great power after the fall of the pagan Roman Empire (after 476 A.D.)
2) It will be a geographically small nation (a little horn). (Dan 7:8)
3) It will rule over many people, nations, and tongues (it will be universal). (Rev 13:7)
4) It will be headquartered in the city of seven hills, Rome.
5) It will be a religio-political entity - a political city-state ruled by a priest-king.
6) Its priest-king will make great and blasphemous claims. (Rev 13:1, 6)
7) It will claim authority over all kings. (Rev 17:18)
8) It will claim its power to change the holy times and laws of God as its mark of authority. (Dan 7:25)
9) It will be an apostate Church that makes the nations drink her cup of apostate doctrine. (Rev 14:8)
10) It will be a “mother” harlot Church, with apostate daughters coming from her. (Rev 17:5)
11) It will be a persecuting power, killing the faithful saints of Jesus Christ as heretics. (Rev 13:7)
12) It will hold power and authority for 1260 years following the fall of pagan Rome.
13) It will suffer a deadly wound that will end 1260 years of dominance and persecution.
14) It will be revived after the deadly wound, and all the world would wonder at its revival. (Rev 13:3)
but the only entity that will hold the position of ‘instead of Christ’ is the devil himself ... and he literally is a hollywood hunk to view .. notice how he is described in Ezekiel made in the full pattern of beauty...
Is it DISHONEST to deny that Daniel 7 CLEARLY states that the Little Horn/Antichrist comes out of pagan Rome and lasts until the end of the world at Christ’s second coming?
——>but the only entity that will hold the position of ‘instead of Christ’ is the devil himself...
The Little Horn of Daniel 7 is the Antichrist power. Satan works through the Antichrist power. The clues can only point to the Papacy as I’ve just detailed above in post 52. The Papacy clearly states that they hold the position of Christ on earth...., that they can change holy times and laws, that they can forgive sins, something that only God can do, etc...The prophetic clues are very clear.
https://www.who-is-the-antichrist.org/
Who is the Antichrist? (3 pages total...look at the end of each page to toggle the next). Other topics also listed....rapture, mark of the beast, etc... Again, most are multipage articles and you need to look at the end of each page to toggle the next.
Why do both of you deny the teachings on the Antichrist by literally every Protestant Reformer?
Revelation 3:7: Isaiah 22:22
Not this again. It’s like someone has a subscription to Jack Chick tracts.
No, it’s not the papacy or the Catholic Church.
Your premise is wrong from the very start. The Vatican is on the other side of the Tiber and is not one of the 7 hills of ancient Rome.
Do some research before posting. This is an old canard and easily refuted
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