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To: DesertRhino

there is some ancient edict that states that if a president does something by executive order which gets the nation into a treaty, and the congress does not act to prevent it, or object via majority, then it ‘becomes binding’- one of the newsmax hosts had some fella on that explained it better than i could- but apparently it is still in effect-

BUT- IF a feckless democrat does give away our nation’s sovereignty, then the republicans will have a very powerful election point IF they can get the message out enough that democrats hate this nation so much that they are willing to surrender our nation’s most precious quality, our sovereignty


8 posted on 04/30/2024 7:25:27 PM PDT by Bob434
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No, that is not the case. It’s clear black and white in the constitution. It does not become a treaty unless 2/3 of the Senate ratifies it. The rest of the world think the leader of a country with his signature can join the treaty. But they are all well aware that that does not apply to United States. They try to pretend it’s not true, but it is. There has never been a supreme court case that has held a treaty to be law of the land without Senate confirmation.

There is no Senate pocket veto approval. For executive orders, yes. But not for a treaty. If it does not get submitted for the Senate approval, it can be killed by the incoming Trump administration. The Paris climate treaty is a classical recent example.


9 posted on 04/30/2024 8:01:06 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: Bob434

No, that is not the case. It’s clear black and white in the constitution. It does not become a treaty unless 2/3 of the Senate ratifies it. The rest of the world think the leader of a country with his signature can join the treaty. But they are all well aware that that does not apply to United States. They try to pretend it’s not true, but it is. There has never been a supreme court case that has held a treaty to be law of the land without Senate confirmation.

There is no Senate pocket veto approval. For executive orders, yes. But not for a treaty. If it does not get submitted for the Senate approval, it can be killed by the incoming Trump administration. The Paris climate treaty is a classical recent example.


10 posted on 04/30/2024 8:01:24 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: Bob434

No, that is not the case. It’s clear black and white in the constitution. It does not become a treaty unless 2/3 of the Senate ratifies it. The rest of the world think the leader of a country with his signature can join the treaty. But they are all well aware that that does not apply to United States. They try to pretend it’s not true, but it is. There has never been a supreme court case that has held a treaty to be law of the land without Senate confirmation.

There is no Senate pocket veto approval. For executive orders, yes. But not for a treaty. If it does not get submitted for the Senate approval, it can be killed by the incoming Trump administration. The Paris climate treaty is a classical recent example.


11 posted on 04/30/2024 8:04:59 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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