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To: lockeliberty;drstevej
It seems to me that to deny that the Lord bought you on the cross, even if you were not an "elect", would be a heresy. (Perhaps even a damnable one, eh?) Indeed to deny that Christ's atonement was for the sins of the whole world, would be a denial of the ultimate power of the atonement.

1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

8 posted on 04/21/2002 10:11:42 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe;drstevej;lockeliberty;sola Gracia
1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John is writing to the church ..thus the "Not only ours"..meaning the people reading the letter ...but for those not reading that letter..and of course Jesus died for the sins of the world..the atonement is sufficient for all but only efficacious for those that come to Christ..(unless you believe that coming to Jesus is not necessary for salvation)

9 posted on 04/21/2002 10:30:30 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: P-Marlowe
. 20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them. 22 It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, {returns} to wallowing in the mire."

When you read the context of the verse you can understand that the false teachers once acknowledged Jesus and then turned back to the "defilements" of the world. Thus, though once they knew Christ and his sacrifice, later they rejected Christ's sacrifice. The question is, once they knew Christ's sacrifice and the sacrifice was sufficient, now that they deny the sacrifice is it still sufficient for them?

13 posted on 04/21/2002 12:10:01 PM PDT by lockeliberty
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