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To: ponyespresso; drstevej; Jerry_M; the_doc
I answer from MY understanding . I will let the Pastors give an "offical answer"

1) Did God foreknow that these two girls would be murdered? Did He know the exact time and place it would happen?

Of course God knows all things.. The number of our days are written in His book

2) Did God foreordain these murders to happen? Did God, in setting up His plan for the world from the beginning of time, engineer the exact situation where the murderer(s) of these two girls and the girls themselves would meet, and from that meeting, did God know the outcome of that meeting that He Himself engineered?

In the sense that He CHOOSE not to intervene God predestined it. God foreknew that the man was going to commit that crime. He did not interfer with the free will of that man to do as he willed to do

As Dr Steve posted

Of God’s Eternal Decree I. God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass:[65] yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin,[66] nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established.[67]

3) Or did God foreknow these girls would be murdered, but somehow did not foreordain them to be murdered? And, if so, please tell me how exactly this might work.

God knows when a bird will fall from the sky..so we can safely assume that He knew that this man would commit this evil deed

God allowed it to occur. He did not interfer with the action of that mans "free will".

The alternative Arminian choice is God foreknew it did not want to be bothered and let the chips fall where they may (real fatalism).

Or open Theology saying that God has no clue what is going to happen here and it is every man for himself..

20 posted on 08/18/2002 9:36:12 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
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26 posted on 08/18/2002 12:22:11 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: RnMomof7
God knows when a bird will fall from the sky..so we can safely assume that He knew that this man would commit this evil deed.

God allowed it to occur. He did not interfer with the action of that mans "free will".

Or, here is another take on this.

Ok, let's start from the assumption that Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman had, from the creation of the world, only been allotted by God ten years to live. Fair enough. They were foreordained to die on that specfic moment, at that specific place.

Now, we have a person (a couple has been held, man and woman so they are releasing few details about exactly who the murderer was, or how they took place). For our argument, we will reduce it to one person who murdered both girls. From the creation of the world, God not only foreknew, but foreordained this exact person to be at this exact location in order to carry out HIS will; i.e. that Holly and Jessica needed to die that day.

So, the question becomes, how could this person be culpable in any way for his actions, since it was God who engineered the exact situation He needed for Holly and Jessica to die that day in order to fulfill His will?

30 posted on 08/18/2002 1:51:32 PM PDT by ponyespresso
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