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To: browardchad
I thought that the orders of the commander in chief, as represented by their immediate superiors was the only orders they are to obey.

I would summarily discharge any Muslim military man who is taking his orders from a Muslim leader. I guess I'm naive. We are in deep trouble if this goes unnoticed and uncontradicted.

Well, it's more complicated than that. Sometimes immoral orders are given and it could conceivably be a religious duty to conscientiously object. In all such cases that I can imagine in the United States Armed Forces, however, an order sufficiently immoral that it would be sinful to obey it is also sufficiently unlawful that there would be no duty to obey it. If the regulations and military code are such that you can imagine being given a lawful order that contradicts your religious moral imperatives, then you shouldn't go into the armed forces in the first place. In particular, a Muslim who believes that it is against Islam to ally with non-Muslims against other Muslims should not join the army of a non-Muslim country!

Still, a Muslim who did NOT believe this when he joined up but is now being told it by all sorts of mullahs and imams can indeed benefit from this fatwa, so I don't have a problem with it.

7 posted on 10/11/2001 9:47:56 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: VeritatisSplendor
"If the regulations and military code are such that you can imagine being given a lawful order that contradicts your religious moral imperatives, then you shouldn't go into the armed forces in the first place. In particular, a Muslim who believes that it is against Islam to ally with non-Muslims against other Muslims should not join the army of a non-Muslim country!"

Precisely -- I really don't care about the so-called "psychological victory" here -- the public request by a US Military Captain, from citizens of a foreign nation, to judge whether US military personnel can fight in this war, is an outrage. If they had any qualms about fighting other muslims, they should have requested immediate discharge as conscientious objectors (i.e. those willing to kill anyone but muslims in the defense of their country.)

20 posted on 10/11/2001 10:14:50 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: VeritatisSplendor
That is not good. Seems like complete nonsense. I would be very reluctant to trust my life in combat to Muslim even if they were Americans. That fatwah thing just mud the waters more. For me it is a guarantee that they can turn on you when you need them more and it serves to give them cover so they can stay in the places they have among our troops. It solves nothing in the hour of truth it serves nothing. Even the liberal Muslim divides the world in two, them and the infidels. I see it very hard that they would turn on another Muslims no matter what.
25 posted on 10/11/2001 10:42:33 PM PDT by Minty
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