The Psychosis We Won't Name (Muslim anti-Semitism)

Andrew Sullivan.com ^ | 10/16/01 | Andrew Sullivan

[vrwc54]

I read today that a Newsweek poll in Pakistan found that 48 percent of Pakistanis believe that Israel was behind the September 11 massacre. Reports from around the Middle East also show this to be a widespread belief among Arabs and Muslims. It is also echoed by the defeatist factions on the far left and the far right in this country.

Prince Alaweed responded yesterday to Rudy Giuliani's heroic return of the Saudi prince's blood money in these words: "The whole issue is that I spoke about their position [on the Middle East conflict] and they didn't like it because there are Jewish pressures and they were afraid of them." This quote was to the newspaper Okaz, according to the New York Post. Alaweed knew exactly how to explain the affront to his native audience.

There is only one word for this sickness and it is anti-Semitism. Somehow, we have not yet named the psychosis that affects large numbers of Muslims. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Israel's policies toward the Palestinians, whatever Tony Blair naively believes. The overwhelming majority of Arab Muslims do not want an accommodation with Israel. They want its obliteration and the expulsion or murder of every Jew that lives there.

This anti-Semitism is openly fostered and fomented by many of the "moderate" Arab regimes we are now busy cozying up to. It is widely believed across the Muslim world - from the Philippines to Morocco to the denizens of our own native Muslim, Mr. Farrakhan.

One of our greatest mistakes in the past few years has been to avoid calling this what it is: a sickness that only half a century ago was responsible for the greatest crime in the history of mankind. Why, one wonders, have no Western leaders confronted this ugly truth and condemned it? What hasn't the Pope?

The rhetoric of bin Laden is not simply fundamentalist. In its structure and paranoia, it is not so different from the doctrines propagated by Hitler. These bin Laden-supporting Muslims want non-Muslims expelled from a wide swathe of Arab territory. They want Lebensraum, and the primary victim of such Lebensraum will once again be the Jews. Israel may not be the first cause cited by bin Laden but it surely is a critical one.

It seems to me that our squeamishness in naming and recognizing this phenomenon is blunting our ability to confront it. Once again, we are faced with an expansionist, terrorist ideology that uses the demonization of Jews as one of its major rallying cries. What more do we need to know?

[Fred25]

Holocaust denial? I’m well aware that about 45 million people were killed in Europe during the war. About 6 million Jews, and the rest were Gentiles and people of other races. Most of the Gentiles were various kinds of Catholics. But where are the Hollywood movies and New York TV documentaries about all those other 39 million people? And hey, what about the 20-30 million Chinese and other Orientals killed by the Japs, and another 10 or 20 million people killed by the Chinese Communists? There aren’t any “The Diary of Anna Wong” movies. Guys like you think too much about yourselves, and you don’t have any respect for anyone else. You are selfish, egotistical, fascists.

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[Fred25]

Here, look at this..... We are the ones who saved your people in Europe in 1945.

The photo is the American GI cemetery at Luxembourg.

And you have the gall to call us patriotic Americans “Nazis”. No wonder that rude egotistical crazy people like you have been thrown out of so many countries that you showed disrespect for over the centuries.

I’ll disregard most of your personal attacks, since you obviously aren’t thinking clearly, because you are a racist fanatic. If you like your Zion so much, then go live there. I don’t mind if the country of Israel exists, I just don’t want Zionists to try to co-opt my own government and feed Americans a bunch of propaganda. We’ve been force-fed this propaganda by Hollywood movies and by the New York TV networks for the past 50 years. You go live in Zion, and I’ll live right here in the USA. You settle your own problems and stop calling on us for help. You support your own country and stop taking our tax dollars. How would you like millions of Baptists to move to Israel and lobby for Israel to give “aid” money to the US? Huh? would you like that? How would you like me to move to Israel and then promote the US over Israel? Huh? You say it’s a “democracy”. If so, then why don’t you ever have any Arab presidents? Did you let Arabs vote on your statehood? LOL!

1945 land ownership in Palestine

So all these Arab land owners voted Israel into being? They are members of your government? They get to vote on affairs concerning their lands? They voted to kick themselves off their own ancient homeland and blow up their own houses and they invited Zionists to take over their property? Who are you trying to fool? We had to save your butts in Europe in the 1940s because your uncles and grandfathers wouldn’t fight for themselves, and now you look to us to save your butts again in your own stolen “homeland”. What kind of insane people are you Zionists? I know lots of Jews in America who aren't Zionists, and they are Americans first.

AGRICULTURAL LAND OWNERSHIP, 1945

POPULATION, 1922 AND 1944

[mlo]

Islam is not a nationality. Fred25 used that as an example. Want to try again?

His choice of "islam" in a list containing "mexico", "zion", "china" and "afghanistan" may not be proper but it doesn't change the fact that Ben misunderstood the clear point. Fred was not objecting to putting God first over America. Anyone reading what he wrote should be able to understand that.

[Fred25]

You continually make erroneous assumptions. First of all, I never said that you were in the holocaust denial crowd, merely that your rhetoric over on their websites would be well received. Secondly, did I ever say that the other atrocities you mentioned weren't worthy of condemnation? No, I didn't.

You are purposefully being deceptive. That is propaganda. You purposely try to fool people. You specifically said, Listen, nutcase. ....Go back to your Holocaust denial sites. I don’t have any Holocaust denial sites. I don’t go to Holocaust denial sites. I’ve been trying to promote the truth and the memory of the 45 million killed in Europe during the Holocaust, all the people, while you’ve been emphasizing only the 6 million who are important to you, and you are a racist because of that. All the Holocaust Museums in America promote the 6 millions and only mention a few “others”. How selfish and racist is that?

I think Buchanan is a crackpot. I never mentioned Buchanan, you did. You are using a propaganda technique of trying to claim that I have some kind of association or affiliation with people I don’t like and can’t stand.

Look, lets just solve this little problem. You move to Zion and mind your own business over there, and I’ll stay here and mind my own business over here. Americanism and Patriotism for this country goes back 400 years. It didn’t start when you were born. It has nothing to do with WW II, except for a strong revival during that period, just like we are having a strong revival of it right now. If you don’t like it, then get the hell out and go someplace where you feel more comfortable and where people want to hear your type of racist and hateful rhetoric.

and you've been exposed more times than a $10 whore.

What kind of vulgar insane person are you?

[Fred25]

I said Nazi because the Nazis and Islam pursue almost exactly the same goals.

That seems to be the case in several of the Islamic countries, but that’s not necessarily true among all Islamic people.

As far as your "test"… I agree with "America first" when it comes to other countries or races BUT you mentioned a religion.

I mentioned Islam because it seems that many militant Islamics in this country, especial black militant Islamics and many new Islamic immigrants, think of their religion as a kind of “race” or a “nation” that they would support over America. Some Zionists feel the same way, but not all American Jews feel that way. Not all Jews are Zionists. I’ve got Jewish friends who think of America first, not Zion first. Most Christians around the world don’t think of themselves as a “nation”. They belong to a general religion, with various denominations, but on a secular level they generally support the nation they live in, which I think is proper. I don’t think militant Islamics in America would support America if we ever got into a big war with a major Islamic country. They would support that Islamic country first, and the Zionists would support Israel first.

Ask Christians if it is Jesus first or not… Are you going to throw them out as well???

Most Christians I’ve known will take their stand here and will live and die on American soil. A few of the ones that have been converted by the Zionists will defend Israel first, over America, but they are not many.

For most religious people it is soul first (duty to God) then country.

That’s fine. I’m talking about my country, my nation, the USA, and we’ve got a lot of people in this country now who don’t place the USA “first” as a nation.

The soul should be a private citizens domain and not the governments.

That’s fine, but a lot of the Zionists and Islamics tend to think of their religion as a type of “nation”, and they place it above the nation of the USA.

[Sabramerican]

I think you are attempting to make an anti-Semitic point over the graves of those brave men.

But. Sorry.

Count from the right (where you can see two crosses) up to one hundred markers. At least five are Stars of David. Jews are not now nor were in WWII at 5% of the American population.

Thank you for pointing out in this Nation's history, Jews and Christians, side by side fought and died for our freedoms.

[Fred25]

I'm an American patriot to the core. It just so happens that I support the state of Israel as well. Is that anti-American?

Hmmm, that sounds ok. But which country do you support the most, the USA or Israel? You’ve got to make a choice, one or the other.

but you say nothing of the $2 billion that goes go Egypt annually

That’s ‘cause I’m not arguing with any damned hard-headed Egyptian! Bring one here and I’ll tell him to earn his own money!

and the many more millions going to Saudi Arabia and other terrorist sponsoring states.

And I think that is idiotic! Saudi Arabia is owned by the Saudi family, and it’s the richest family in the world. We are probably squandering millions on Brunei too.

Why is that, Freddie? I'll tell you why......

Hey! Do you mind if I answer your questions? Do you want to ask questions and then answer them yourself? LOL! Bring on some of those money-grubbing Islamic loafers and I’ll chew them out too.

....because of your pathological envy of Jews' money...

LOL! LOL! Are you crazy?? (Well, actually, we’ve already established that.) Do Jews have money? Almost all the rich guys I ever worked for were Gentiles, and they were rude selfish bast****. The one Jew I worked for was the nicest of all my bosses, and the most generous. Most of the Gentiles I worked for were jerks.

money, brains, and power.

LOL! Boy, do you have a tremendous racist ego! You are just jealous because Gentiles have been so successful in the world. They were living in caves when David was King, but now we “rule the world”. LOL! (Well, a large part of it.) And you just can’t stand that! You think that your people are supposed to rule the world. Everyone should bow toward Zion every day and kiss your ring.

It must be horrible being hounded by such virulent jealousy.

You should know, from experience.

[Sabramerican]

Because I know the demented anti-Semites so well let me assure them that not alphabetizing "Crosses" was a typo.

[Concentrate]

There is only one word for this sickness and it is anti-Semitism.

But the arabs are Semites, too. Aren't they?

[DB]

I agree with much of your response to me. It is true not all Muslims are Nazis just as most Germans were not Nazis. The Germans had to choose sides early on in the war and most went with the Nazis anyway. The time has come for the Muslims today to choose which side they're on and so far, sadly, it looks like the majority will go the way of the Germans in the late 30's.

[Fred25]

I think you are attempting to make an anti-Semitic point over the graves of those brave men.

An “anti-Semitic point” by showing a photo of an American WW II cemetery? Are you crazy too?

Count from the right (where you can see two crosses) up to one hundred markers. At least five are Stars of David. Jews are not now nor were in WWII at 5% of the American population.

I see the Stars of David markers. Go watch the movie “Patton” and see the 1:3 ratio of Star of David markers in the North Africa GI cemetery scene. Hollywood “creative license” of course.

Thank you for pointing out in this Nation's history, Jews and Christians, side by side fought and died for our freedoms.

That’s right, and there were quite a number of Jews in the Civil War too, and in science, medicine, business, government, etc. Good for them. I’m griping here about zealot Zionists, and there are plenty of Christian zealot Zionists today. I think of militant Zionism as a political movement that supports a tiny little secular foreign country over the United States.

I’m not griping about “Jews”. Jews are fine. I’m griping about people in the United States who put “Zion” First, over the United States.

[Concentrate]

Well, the Jews are supposed to be the chosen people of God, but they keep ignoring God in their deeds. Most Jews in America are really atheist marxists. They vote for abortion, normalization of homosexuality, and unlimited immigration. I really don't understand Jewish people even though I've been friends with many most of my life. I just don't get it. Can anyone help?

[Fred25]

The time has come for the Muslims today to choose which side they're on and so far, sadly, it looks like the majority will go the way of the Germans in the late 30's.

I agree, and they might have to be crushed, if they become as hostile and as aggressive as the Nazis were.

[Concentrate]

That’s fine, but a lot of the Zionists and Islamics tend to think of their religion as a type of “nation”, and they place it above the nation of the USA.

It's a tribal thing. And very different than here. I think we should let them kill each other, but offer Israel a safe Haven in the American west. The Jews who will agee will go there and prosper, those who don't will have to accept the consequences of being in the midst of an Islamic empire. Nobody can have all they want. Not even us.

[Magician]

"...Jews are Marxists?..."

Maybe most Jews vote Democratic, but the only people I know who are as entrepreneurial are some Asian-Americans.

I'm almost 65 years old, I'm Jewish, and I have known thousands of Jews over the years. I have personally met only a handful that I knew to be Socialists by conviction, and none that were Marxists (Communists). The vast majority are in business or are professional people.