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To: erkyl
I see nothing in this card which violates our privacy...everything there is already known by the government or by our banks or by our credit card companies or even telemarketers.

In case you haven't been paying attention, privacy advocates have decried these for years. So now you want to use previous losses of privacy to justify further losses of privacy. Later, when the next Big Brother scheme comes up, the same thing will be repeated - "Why not have biometric cameras in every public place, national ID's track your every move anyway". This is called the Slippery Slope, and WE DRAW THE LINE RIGHT HERE.

It would make me feel better to know that anyone trying to wire money overseas, or check into a hotel, or get on a bus or a plane or a train, or rent an apartment would be randomly subject to showing their national ID card as a matter of proof of their right to be in our great nation.

It would make me feel like a character in 1984, or a peon in some Iron Curtain Soviet Republic. It would make me ashamed to live in such a nation that no longer respects privacy or freedom.

It would make me feel better to know that anyone trying to wire money overseas, or check into a hotel, or get on a bus or a plane or a train, or rent an apartment would be randomly subject to showing their national ID card as a matter of proof of their right to be in our great nation.

I'm not interested in living in a police state so you can 'feel better'. Go right ahead and carry whatever ID you want, just don't think you can force it on others.

20 posted on 10/18/2001 8:19:02 AM PDT by freeeee
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To: freeeee
That is the most cogent, rational and brilliantly thought out response yet. You have summed it up exactly. I don't know why so many others are willing to base future loss of freedoms on the fact that we have lost many in the past. The opposite should be true.
30 posted on 10/18/2001 8:45:54 AM PDT by jim35
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To: freeeee
I'm not interested in living in a police state so you can 'feel better'. Go right ahead and carry whatever ID you want, just don't think you can force it on others.

No problem there ... just make having one pay off for those that get one, as in shorter lines (again!!) at the airport!

75 posted on 10/18/2001 9:43:17 AM PDT by AgThorn
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To: freeeee
Hello? Force? You assume force is involved. Check your dictionary for the meaning of 'voluntary.' I can't help you if you don't understand English.
204 posted on 10/19/2001 6:52:05 AM PDT by erkyl
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