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Thank You, Franklin Delano Bush
lewrockwell.com ^ | 11/12 | Karen DeCoster

Posted on 11/12/2001 3:11:06 AM PST by from occupied ga

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To: from occupied ga
This fun, little tool examines and interprets the rhetoric of government spokespersons, and translates such twaddle into the statist prose that it actually represents.

I put the above De Coster statement through the 'truth translator' with the following result.

"I painstakingly review transcripts of speeches to find out of context sentences which can be twisted to fit my naive view of how a nation should respond to ruthless enemies."

81 posted on 11/12/2001 6:30:14 AM PST by layman
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To: AndyJackson
It is quite evident on the other hand that you and Ms de Coster are propagandists...

Propagandists from the "moderate" wing of the Anarchist Party.

82 posted on 11/12/2001 6:31:44 AM PST by JimRed
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To: wasp69
Just what exactly is a minion of the state? I volunteered, 12 years ago, to serve my country in the armed forces. Does that make me a "minion of the state

This is getting rather far afield from the original post, but since you want my definition - here it is. At the time yes. My definition is anyone who is paid by the government. If your paycheck comes from the government then by definition you are a minion of the state

83 posted on 11/12/2001 7:08:33 AM PST by from occupied ga
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To: from occupied ga
BUMP
84 posted on 11/12/2001 7:22:17 AM PST by Aurelius
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To: ladtx
As for the "Imperial Empire of Japan", as you somewhat redundantly title it: they didn't want war with the United States; FDR wanted war with Japan and put them in a position where they had no choice but to make war on the U.S. I don't mean to suggest that their actions in China were anything but reprehensible. But the war that was forced on them, and the enormous loss of life that resulted on both sides, might have been avoided.
85 posted on 11/12/2001 7:36:49 AM PST by Aurelius
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To: Cobra64
"If you don't like this country, get out."

Is that really what you mean, or do you mean "If you don't like my conception of this country, get out"?

86 posted on 11/12/2001 9:22:34 AM PST by Aurelius
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To: AndyJackson
Ms de Coster or you owe us a clear demonstration that Bush uses the words he uses with the meanings that Ms de Coster has given them rather than otherwise.

How about this: DeCoster said,

As I said, crisis allows for the growth of government and its military as the people clamor for protection from their newly enabled politicians. We will act on this, and we will take full advantage of the opportunity presented to us.

As her interpretation of part of Bush's speech. For those who think that this isn't so read the government's plans as to how to treat the citizens in the case of smallpox outbreak.(all for our their own good)

87 posted on 11/12/2001 9:23:36 AM PST by from occupied ga
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To: saminfl
Nope, I'm no expert on Limbaugh. The threads praising him just tickle me, or at least they used to. I've stopped reading them as well.
88 posted on 11/12/2001 9:28:37 AM PST by Twodees
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To: from occupied ga
No, I don't have a better answer. It looks as though you have them pegged.
89 posted on 11/12/2001 9:30:15 AM PST by Twodees
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To: from occupied ga
"The rulers of sanctioned countries always manage to live in luxurious circumstnces anyway."

I don't know why people have such a problem understanding this point. Rulers become rulers because they want to live in luxurious circumstances; they aren't going to let some silly sanctions stop them. The result isn't just that only the innocent and poorest suffer, but that they are more likely than not to be strengthened in their support of the ruling regime against those who imposed the sanctions.

90 posted on 11/12/2001 9:40:02 AM PST by Aurelius
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To: wingnuts'nbolts
Can someone offer some advice to me?

I'm "working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America."

I am a little bit unsure about how to do this, but I have wittled down my ideas to a short list:

1. Heap uniform praise on not only the president but the entire executive branch. Especially when they start behaving like the Roosevelt Administration.

2. Use Internet fora to heap abuse upon and make physical threats against those who dare question the mighty State and any of its programs.

3. In reponse to articles posted to Internet fora that advocate peace and constitutional government, I should read the first two lines before copying-and-pasting my standard response into the reply form. Preferrably, my response should include a JPG of Lew Rockwell with "TOOL" inscribed on his forehead. That'll show 'em.

4. All of the above.

91 posted on 11/12/2001 10:06:58 AM PST by SaveUsFromOurselvesBill
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To: from occupied ga
Solutions, yes, but solutions fraught with ideologistic underpinnings.

Technology can help design a fusilage that will not be poked through by bullets. But the problem with a cabin full of armed passengers is that of stray bullets hitting other passengers.

One to three undercover air marshalls per flight would be better with an impenetrable cockpit.

Free trade with every nation? I don't think so. Why should we empower dictatorial regimes by trading freely with them? Could you imagine Castro being economically powerful?

If you want free trade, which is a great thing, you would need for the countries we trade with to have some sort of market economy to match the trade. Otherwise, you only prop up their dictatorial governments; the people of which will not benefit.

Lastly, be careful not to fall into the trap of leftist propaganda of their poverty being the reason for their hatred of the United States. These types are deliberately taught from a very early age to hate us.

Force must be met with greater force. Period.

But at least you have given a shot at a solution (although I had to ask for it). I can't say that for anyone else who is of the Rockwellian mind.

92 posted on 11/12/2001 10:53:28 AM PST by rdb3
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To: rdb3
Solutions, yes, but solutions fraught with ideologistic underpinnings.

Ideological?

Technology can help design a fusilage that will not be poked through by bullets. But the problem with a cabin full of armed passengers is that of stray bullets hitting other passengers.

This matter should be decided by the airlines and their customers, not the FAA. The airlines should set and enforce their policies; their customers can decide with which airlines they prefer to do business.

One to three undercover air marshalls per flight would be better with an impenetrable cockpit.

Are these very cramped cockpits going to be retrofitted with water closets, or does the pilot cross his legs for six hours?

Free trade with every nation? I don't think so. Why should we empower dictatorial regimes by trading freely with them? Could you imagine Castro being economically powerful?

The embargo against Cuba has achieved nothing useful. Free trade with that nation would undermine its communist ideology and the communist regime. Anyway, the government of a free country would let its own citizens decide whether or not it is a good idea to trade with citizens in repressed countries.

If you want free trade, which is a great thing, you would need for the countries we trade with to have some sort of market economy to match the trade.

If you believe that free trade is a great thing, then why do you oppose it? "Free" trade only with countries selected by the U.S. Government is not free trade at all.

Otherwise, you only prop up their dictatorial governments; the people of which will not benefit.

There is no empirical evidence for this. On the contrary, citizens of nations that are subjected to embargoes and sanctions always get poorer. This would not happen if their leaders were the only people benefiting from the trade that used to exist.

Force must be met with greater force. Period.

Yep. As long as it is meted against people who are actually a real threat to you.

93 posted on 11/12/2001 1:00:41 PM PST by SaveUsFromOurselvesBill
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To: SaveUsFromOurselvesBill
Pragmatism, meet ideology.

Thank you for proving my point.

94 posted on 11/12/2001 1:29:37 PM PST by rdb3
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To: from occupied ga
YAWN


95 posted on 11/12/2001 1:34:52 PM PST by apackof2
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To: apackof2
BUMP
96 posted on 11/12/2001 4:58:48 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: SaveUsFromOurselvesBill
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97 posted on 11/13/2001 8:04:33 AM PST by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: from occupied ga
This is getting rather far afield from the original post...

I agree, however I do bristle at being called a minion of the state. I didn't sign on to deprive people of their rights, just to do the job because if I didn't, who would? I'm not going to insult you by asking you who should pay me if not the government but they are authorized to pay me and make the rules I live under as given them in the Constitution. Which, incidentally, is what I took an oath to defend.
98 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:03 PM PST by wasp69
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To: wasp69
I do bristle at being called a minion

Don't be so quick to take offense. Things are as they are. I was a (involuntary) minion of the state myself 30+ years ago, but I got over it.

rules I live under as given them in the Constitution.

Do you? I hope so, but many of your fellow employees of the state do not. Further 95% of government activity today is unconstitutional. The EPA and the DEA use the constitution for toilet paper. The second amendment was suspended when the Brady law passed. There is no provision for Hegelian redistribution of wealth in the constitution, yet it is done all the time.

99 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:12 PM PST by from occupied ga
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To: from occupied ga
Believe me when I tell you that I am fully aware of what is being done to our organic law by these buttheads in DC. I do pride myself on trying to know/understand the Constitution more than the typical "I'm-a-conservative-and-I-know-the-Constitution-even-though-I-can't-back-up-my-assertions" kneejerk I often see and hear. I think I have to understand it especially since I have spent so much time defending the CSA right here in the hallowed halls of FR.
100 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:11 PM PST by wasp69
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