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To: snopercod, Ernest_at_the_Beach, monkeyshine, Gophack, Dog Gone, Myrddin, Argus, d14truth
Thanks for the ping, John.

Let's see....twenty-one million eligible voters....five million voted....and there was a 'distinctly rightward tilt' to those who did. Let's take a leap and define a 'distinct tilt' as sixty percent of the whole....which means that there must be at least 5,000,000 x .60 = three million 'distinct right wingers' in the state of California. That's about 4,999,900 more than I would have guessed (I have an Uncle Charlie in Fresno, and he has maybe a hundred friends).

With that said, Mr. Walters' definition of 'right' and mine (and I daresay that of most honest conservatives on this forum) differ greatly. No person of 'right' mind would have voted for these bond issues (long-term debt, obligating the California working class (of which there seem to be fewer each day) and their children to decades of paying through their noses for something the benefit of which by then will have already been realized and past).

And paying for what? 'Necessary' school construction and repairs, made 'necessary' by the fact that such mundane considerations as (a) projecting future enrollment figures so as to have an education infrastructure capable of accommodating them (lack of foresight appears to be a prerequisite for employment in CA state government), or (b) fixing physical problems as they occur rather than allowing them to evolve into more expensive deterioration, apparently took second place to (c) procurement of higher (bordering on exorbitant, I'm willing to bet) salaries for teachers and administrators and (d) the funding of education for the ever-growing number of illegals.

A local school district, or state program, which places (c) and (d) above (a) and (b) requires an overhaul, not a bond issue.

....school bond legislation may be modified at the behest of construction unions to effectively limit contracts to the relatively few unionized firms, thus denying work to many tens of thousands of smaller, nonunion contractors.

A 'modification' which the 'right' voters of California should veto before the ink is dry on the proposed (modified in order to be labor-sensitive) legislation. Labor-sensitivity = inferior workmanship at superior cost.

And it needs to repair many of its existing schools, whose maintenance was shamefully neglected for years in the financial scramble that followed enactment of Proposition 13 in 1978.

Mr. Walters has tipped his hand, and made apparent one of the main reasons he is employed at the Bee. He exemplifies the required hatred of Ronald Reagan, and a willingness to revise history.

I truly believe that the seeds for the movement to end big government in America were planted by Ronald Reagan, following closely in the footsteps of Howard Jarvis' Proposition 13. (And the fact that those seeds have failed to germinate properly over the past twenty-five years are not the fault of either Mr. Jarvis or Mr. Reagan, but it is a result of an abandonment of their agenda).

13 not only affected California finances, but its ripples were felt throughout the country, serving as an essential catalyst for Reagan's '81 income tax cuts. And, between 1979 and 1985, almost half of the states followed suit with their own versions of a taxpayer revolt -- and most of the resulting legislation is still on their books today.

Unfortunately, some of Prop 13's positive long-term ramifications were later nullified by Pete Wilson's and the CA legislature's passage of the biggest state tax increase in the history of the country. But don't expect the mainstream media to give voice that important truth.

California's economic upturn as a result of Prop 13 was momentous. During the ensuing decade, the state's budget nearly doubled (a seventy-five percent increase above the rate of inflation), and state tax revenues as a share of citizens' incomes actually rose (because of the resulting economic boom) from eleven to twelve percent. Hardly the economic disaster that liberal pundits (of then, and still today) would have us believe

The major effect of Proposition 13 has been to save the average homeowner in California tens of thousands of dollars in property tax payments over the past twenty years. That is money that would have fueled an even more rapid buildup in California's state and local public bureaucracies if it had been sent to Sacramento and city hall....Stephen Moore, Director of Fiscal Policy Studies at the Cato Institute

20 posted on 03/26/2002 5:19:21 PM PST by joanie-f
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To: joanie-f
Prop 13 stopped the rapid escalation of property taxes as a means of funding ever increasing political pork programs pushed by the liberals in Sacramento. Senior citizens were being taxed right out of the homes they had paid off. Idaho has no similar protection to Prop 13. I actually pay property taxes that are 3 times higher than my CA assessments. That is balanced by income and sales taxes that are quite a bit lower. The property tax is a write-off on the federal tax returns.
21 posted on 03/26/2002 5:44:21 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: joanie-f
Prop. 13 was a God-send to homeowners in 1978 -- people could keep their homes.

The problem now is all these local bonds -- particularly the school bonds with the 55% vote. My mother has a modest house in a nice area and there was a bond on her ballot that would increase her property taxes for a school bond. Within 3 years, the tax would be over $88 per $100,000 value. If Prop. 13 wasn't in place, they could re-assess her based on the value of her house; at least with Prop. 13, her assessed value is less than the actual value.

Still, my mom struggles to come up with her approximately $2000 in property taxes each year (in Sacramento County it's split into two payments.) With this bond, she has to add approx. $250 to her bill. Another bond passed that was @$35 per $100K, so within 3 years she'll be paying an additional $355 .. over a 15% tax increase.

People ARE going to be taxes out of their homes ... through all these local bonds.

California's finances are in dismal shape. Our bond rating has fallen, our credit rating sucks ... we need to find someone sane to run our government. That's why I'm voting for Bill Simon for Governor ... and everyone who wants California to get out of this financial ruin needs to do the same.

22 posted on 03/26/2002 6:41:09 PM PST by Gophack
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To: joanie-f
You nailed 'em with that one. Nicely done.

The saddest thing is that even with the billions being poured into California schools, many of the the kids who survivegraduate are still functionally illiterate. Even worse, it will take them a lifetime to un-learn all the propaganda which was beaten into their heads. Most won't be able.

They come out "knowing" that man is destroying the environment, and that all political systems are equal. They are experts at using condoms (having learned to install them on bananas), but are unable to write a coherent letter or make change for a dollar. They have never read the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence in school.

26 posted on 03/27/2002 2:18:59 AM PST by snopercod
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To: joanie-f
Thanks for the great analysis, from an irate Californian. ;)

Check your mail.

28 posted on 03/28/2002 3:55:24 PM PST by SiliconValleyGuy
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