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To: helmsman
I completely disagree with your argument.

Using your logic, we should make drugs legal because "they're going to do them anyway." Perhaps you support legalization of drugs, I don't know.

Since the availability of contraceptives has become widespread, society has collapsed:

*There are over 4 million abortions every year.
*Children are having sex at younger and younger ages.
*The divorce rate sky-rocketed.
*AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases have spread rapidly.
*Suicide rates have gone up.
*Children being raised in single-parent households have skyrocketed.
*More women are infertile, more women are developing breast cancer, and more women are suffering from the long-term emotional effects of sexual promiscuity and abortion.

Now, there are likely a lot of reasons that the above have happened, including sex education, liberal entitlement programs, and a turning away from basic moral values. HOWEVER, contraceptives make it "easy" to think of ourselves first, do it now, do what feels good, and if they fail, fix it in the morning.

Contraceptives demean women because women become a vessel for sex. While sex can be a wonderful experience between man and wife -- and sometimes downright fun -- sex can also be demeaning, demoralizing and exploited.

Just because people are going to "do it" doesn't mean we have to support that mentality. We need to change the mentality, change the attitudes of people. This isn't impossible, but it's not going to be easy. We have nearly 40 years of the sexual revolution ... and it's going to take nearly as long to reverse it.

37 posted on 03/28/2002 12:11:39 PM PST by Gophack
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To: Gophack
Since the availability of contraceptives has become widespread, society has collapsed:

This is why I made it clear that current methods of contraceptives are next to useless. They do give people a false sense of security that leads them to have lots of sex which then results in pregnancy when the method inevitably fails. When contraceptive technology takes the leap forward I described, the result will hopefully be a dramatic reduction in abortions.

Contraceptives demean women because women become a vessel for sex. While sex can be a wonderful experience between man and wife -- and sometimes downright fun -- sex can also be demeaning, demoralizing and exploited.

No, they don't demean anybody, come on Gophack. They are tools that married and unmarried people can use to avoid children resulting from recreational sex. What's important here is the concept of contraception, not any particular device. Even the Roman Catholic Church supports the concept of contraception within marriage, but only of the "natural" variety. Fine. But this is a distinction without a difference. It makes no difference whether you get down during periods of infertility, or whether you party after popping a pill -- what matters is that whatever method you use work.

Just because people are going to "do it" doesn't mean we have to support that mentality. We need to change the mentality, change the attitudes of people. This isn't impossible, but it's not going to be easy.

People are people. They're not going to change, at least not where sex is concerned. Sex is a natural and very powerful urge which we all have -- we were designed to have it. The simpletons among us engage in sex without any planning or concern for the consequences. Unfortunately, those people will not change either. Their ability to do damage as a result of their behaving like animals (having abortions) must be neutralized by whatever means necessary. Their reproductive systems must be controlled so that we can keep them from aborting their children. It seems to me as though you are waiting around for a Christian utopia to manifest and cure abortion and all of it's surrounding issues. Well, if that's true, then you should admit to it now so that I can count you as totally useless in the cause of stopping abortion. We have to deal with the world as it is, not as we would like it to be. If we continue to hold out for utopia, the distraction will doom our efforts to save the unborn.

42 posted on 03/28/2002 12:43:00 PM PST by helmsman
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