The Druidic Candidate: Can California deal with a Druid for governor?

The Orange County Weekly ^ | March 28, 2002 | Victor D. Infante

[BibChr]

Okay, so to sum up your very long posting, you can't prove anything you find objectionable, because all your objections rest on assumptions. (Everyone always lived about the same lifespan; all the continents were arrayed then as now; all animals always behave the same; Christ's resurrection is irrelevant; etc.) Assumptions that you are too lazy to investigate, as you admit.

So... who's the one with no intellectual curiosity again? I have an eyewitness account, with (as you helpfully demonstrated) an eminently credible structure. You have... assumptions. So, tell me again...who's not curious?

Dan

[BibChr]

...the materialist missionaries will not back down no matter how foolish they look

...and will accuse everyone else of being lazy and foolish. But then, the Emperor's degrees of confidence and clothedness never have been in synch, have they?

Dan

[mv1]

Should be a tight race

[Mark Bahner]

And the purpose of your questions is...?

To gain knowledge, "Dataman." That's the purpose of asking questions in science...to gain knowledge.

You appear to think you know the 10 "kinds of dog" that were present at the time of Christ, and the 5 "kinds of dog" that were present at the time the Ark was allegedly built. I'm asking you what they were, so I'll know what you think YOU know.

Simple question. Will you answer it?

I assume you grant the fact that the ark was 3x larger than needed.

Not a good assumption. I can't make ANY assessment about whether or not the alleged ark was large enough, until I find out how many animals were allegedly on board. All I know is that there were allegedly two of every "kind" of animal. But since BS isn't real science, "kind" doesn't have any scientific definition. In real science, we have, "kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, species, variety/breed."

If you or Dan would say, "kind means species" or "kind means genus" or "kind means variety/breed" I might then be able to estimate the number living things involved. (At least if you could ALSO tell me whether you think that animals that SCIENCE knows were long extinct 4000 years ago were also on the ark...e.g., dinosaurs.)

So again: What were the 10 "kinds" of dog around at the time of Christ, and the 5 "kinds" of dog around at the time of the alleged building of the ark (which I ASSUME we agree was approximately 4000 years ago)?

[Dataman]

The best way to gain knowledge is to do some research. You are asking me to do it for you yet I doubt you will believe anything I find for you. I will answer your questions this time, but only this time. I am not convinced you sincerely want to know and I am absolutely certain that you have done little or no research regarding your position based on what you have so far posted. For example, you say:

building of the ark (which I ASSUME we agree was approximately 4000 years ago)?

Your assumption is incorrect. Consult a reference book to discover when the flood took place. By 2000 BC we are already to the time of Abram.

You appear to think you know the 10 "kinds of dog" that were present at the time of Christ, and the 5 "kinds of dog" that were present at the time the Ark was allegedly built. I'm asking you what they were, so I'll know what you think YOU know.

There were only a few kinds of dogs. Fossil remains of the early Bronze Age, 6500 years ago; make it possible to identify 5 major groups of early dogs

There happen to be several places where this information can be found. Here is the source for the quote: http://www.chuckiii.com/Reports/Anthropology/Domestication_of_the_Dog.shtml

But since BS isn't real science, "kind" doesn't have any scientific definition. In real science, we have, "kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, species, variety/breed."

Maybe you haven't thought of this before, but exactly what was the taxonomy before the current system? Do your own homework to discover the answer. Do you think there was no method of classifying animals before the current phylogenic system?

try looking here for starters

[Mark Bahner]

The best way to gain knowledge is to do some research. You are asking me to do it for you yet I doubt you will believe anything I find for you.

:-/ *I* can't possibly "research" what I'm asking you! I'm asking you what YOU know...or to be more accurate, what you think you know. You said there were 10 "kinds" of dogs at the time of Christ, and 5 "kinds" of dogs at the time of the Flood. You obviously wouldn't have said this, unless you thought you knew it. I can't research to find out what *you* think you know.

There were only a few kinds of dogs. Fossil remains of the early Bronze Age, 6500 years ago; make it possible to identify 5 major groups of early dogs.

Heh, heh, heh! Dataman, Irish Archbishop James Ussher calculated that CREATION occurred in 4004 BC! Are you saying the good Archbishop was WRONG? ;-)

Dates of Creation and the Flood

Your nonsensical (which some witnesses call "science") website about the dogs of the Bronze Age is saying that there was a BRONZE AGE almost 2500 years before Adam was even created!!! :-)

In your opinion, who is wrong? Archbishop James Ussher, who calculated that Creation occurred in 4004 BC? Or the website that you found that talks about an early Bronze Age in 6500 BC?

[Dataman]

You ask for sources so I gave you sources. If I gave you all Christian sources, you'd dismiss them, so I gave you a secular source. Rather than deny the secular source, you ask me to defend a person's chronology. That's telling, as is your excuse for not researching. I prefer to deal with thinkers. Goodbye.

[Mark Bahner]

If I gave you all Christian sources, you'd dismiss them, so I gave you a secular source.

I would never "dismiss" them. I might "refute" them. Big difference.

Rather than deny the secular source, you ask me to defend a person's chronology.

I didn't ask you to "defend" (or refute) anything. I asked you which source you THOUGHT was correct (that the world started circa 4004 BC, or that the early Bronze Age was occurring in 6500 BC). As a matter of fact, you could have easily said you thought both were wrong, and gave your own thoughts on what dogs were available circa the alleged time of alleged Noah. That's telling, as is your excuse for not researching.

Once again, this was something for which is was NOT possible for me to do research...I was asking for what YOU thought you knew.

I prefer to deal with thinkers.

No one on this site thinks more than I do. (Some may think as much, no one thinks more.)

Goodbye.

Yes, if you can't stand the heat, you should probably stay out of the kitchen.

[Plummz]

As I understand it, the LP and the LNC have severed relations with Browne and some of his more implicated cronies for the forseeable future.

And Bumper hornberger is running for the Senate fromn Va as an independent.

[BluesDuke]

As I understand it, the LP and the LNC have severed relations with Browne and some of his more implicated cronies for the forseeable future.

That the severance could not be done without kicking and screaming should have been plenty enough disturbing, but it is good that it finally occurred, if indeed it did. Even so, there remain sufficient enough Browne allies in the party leadership chambers, and it will probably require a lot more work before the influence becomes completely cauterised.

[BluesDuke]

(When have you seen a man who's 480 years old?

I have days when I see myself to shave in the morning and it feels like I'm looking at a 480 year old man.

When have you seen animals traveling in pairs 1000's of miles to get on a ship?

Up and down both coasts to board for pleasure cruise vacations.

When have you seen tigers--fresh from the wild--tame enough that they wouldn't eat a gazelle that happened to be standing around waiting to get on the same boat?)

In Detroit, this season, allegedly playing baseball.

( /wisenheimer mode off. Though I'd still like to know how bright was a man to put them all on a ship in pairs but still forget to swat the mosquitoes and gas the cockroaches...)