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California Officials Face Unprecedented Budget Gap
The New York Times ^ | May 12, 2002 | JAMES STERNGOLD

Posted on 05/11/2002 4:13:28 PM PDT by sarcasm

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To: sonofliberty2
In Los Angeles County, where there has been a surge of immigrants from Mexico, median income fell in constant dollars to $37,655 in 1998 from $45,962, a decline of 18 percent, according to the census data.
42 posted on 05/12/2002 2:28:42 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sonofliberty2
See:

Qwest's overseas hires irk workers

45 posted on 05/12/2002 2:47:35 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sonofliberty2
I am leaving in 3 days after having lived here for 26 years. When I moved here at age 22 I was in paradise. The wholesale destruction of this beautiful state is a personal nightmare which will haunt me the rest of my life.
46 posted on 05/12/2002 8:07:40 AM PDT by conserve-it
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To: sonofliberty2
"As I said, it's a systemic campaign to destroy the American nation. And Bush is pushing it with his pro-Mexican policy and overall Alienist immigration policy."

You lose all credibility when you make those sorts of extremist comments. Yes, the Left has been engaged in an organized campaign to break up American families and destroy core American values, but that has nothing to do with President Bush. His pro-Mexican policies are creating jobs in Mexico, which encourages Mexicans to STAY in Mexico. Being anti-Bush or anti-NAFTA just means that you want more Mexicans coming into the U.S. in search of job opportunities (because they won't be in Mexico). But even job opportunities aren't the problem. Immigrants who want to work aren't the problem. The problem is with those who come over for free education, medicine, as well as welfare handouts. Heck, I'll gladly take the workers, especially if the education/welfare seekers are de-incentized.

47 posted on 05/12/2002 9:51:40 AM PDT by Southack
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To: sonofliberty2
"The shortfall could well force the state and local governments to slash an array of services, including police protection and mental health, state and local officials say."

Sounds serious. < /sarc>
Ol' Gray Davis is gonna need all the cops he can get.
Just to keep the nuts outside the walls at bay; forget about the ones that'll be turned loose.

I see the illegal immigration angle you're working here, sol2.
You make good points, *all*.

Still...
Californians --& that goes DOUBLY for the Rob Rieners, Chers, Speilbergs, their LIBERAL pols & hundreds more just like 'em -- wrought this pox upon on themselves.
Honestly?
I've an extremely tough time finding any sympathy whatsoever for their predicament.
Sorry.
They asked for it: they got it.
That simple.

...I actually find bearing witness to this rare instance of *poetic justice* strangely refreshing, at that.

48 posted on 05/12/2002 11:12:06 AM PDT by Landru
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To: sarcasm
Maybe Kalifornia could start reducing the number of illegals that suck the government tit !!!

Think of the BILLIONS that would save.

49 posted on 05/12/2002 11:14:28 AM PDT by unixfox
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To: sarcasm
Well, maybe Democrats will eventually disgust the voters to the point of never voting for a Democrat again.
Once can at least hope.
50 posted on 05/12/2002 11:43:36 AM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: sarcasm
Here is the problem with Kalifornia. The governor, as well as both houses of Kalifornia's congress, is in the hands of the Democraps. The only state, elected official in Kalifornia that is a republican is their Secretary of State. With that said, all of the liberal democratic agendas and failed socialist ideas are coming back to haunt them. Here are a few examples:

1. The Kalifornian government, controlled by democraps, has spent the state until it is broke on social welfare programs;

2. It's refusal to acknowledge the borders, and by it's calling anyone who wants the borders enforced "racists," illegal immigrants have flooded over in order to get a piece of all that money the Kalifornian government spent on social welfare programs;

3. The huge taxations and utter hatred of anybody who has made a success of themselves in Kalifornia, businesses, corporations, and employers can't afford to hire, causing one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation;

4. Now that they are going to have to lay off thousands of police officers, after they have disarmed the populace with all of their "common sense gun safety measures," crime is going to run rampant.

In conclusion, I just hope that the rest of the nation learns from Kalifornia's mistakes and returns to voting those into office with core conservative agendas and ideas.

51 posted on 05/12/2002 11:54:05 AM PDT by rodeocowboy
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To: sarcasm
It's the socialism!

52 posted on 05/12/2002 12:00:53 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Scratch shooter
And the polticians still don't get it. On Tuesday the Los Angeles City council is set of mandate the acceptance of the sham matricula consular I.D cards for all city services. Need to cut cost? well... lets just make it easier for illegals to obtain goverment services. Los Angeles is doomed
53 posted on 05/12/2002 12:09:50 PM PDT by brightx
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To: medved
medved writes:
If we're gonna give California to Mexico we ought to simply do it and have done with it. There's no way that a Mexican state should be controlling 20% of the electoral votes necessary to elect an American president. The present situation amounts to allowing the lefties to have their cake and eat it at the same time.

A very good point. The time has come to think the unthinkable: paraphrasing the classic Ann Landers question, would the rest of America now be better off with or WITHOUT California?

Consider: if California were tomorrow no longer a part of the U.S.A., would our resulting nation be more or less conservative? Given the oversized "weight" of California's influence in national politics, how would the balance of power change if California were suddenly no longer a part of that game?

With the Mexican "reconquista" well in progress, it is all but inevitable -- given demographics and the cultural devolution brought about by the immigrant invasion -- that, eventually, California WILL become a default colony of Mexico. The same may be said for Arizona, New Mexico, and the south of Texas. But whatever is going to happen, is going to happen FIRST on the west coast.

Postponing the inevitable drags the rest of the country down in the meantime.

- John

54 posted on 05/12/2002 12:35:24 PM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: Fishrrman
If what I read and hear from people leaving the place is basically right, then California is marginal for being economically and/or politically viable at this point and we need to either retake it or let Mexico have it, one or the other. Apparently you've got rich people and peasants in the place and little else, with 5% of the people paying half the taxes and 70 or 80% of the people not paying any taxes at all. That says if a very small number of people were to decide to leave, a permanent state of pandemonium would ensue. Likewise a significant blow to the stock portfolios of that same minority such as has occurred with thedot-com collapse is now causing a catastrophic budget deficit. Nothing like that could happen if, as in previous times, you had middle-class people working in factories which payed decent wages paying taxes in the place.

Likewise when you have a bill to restrict welfare benefits to illegal aliens passed by an overwhelming majority of the state and then shot down by a single Klintler judge ('we don't need no stinkin democracy...') and the reconquisters doing high-fives and talking about that being the last gasp of white America in the place, the only thing I'd know to do that didn't involve civil war or insurrection would be to get out a map of the US and start looking for other places to live.

55 posted on 05/12/2002 1:14:43 PM PDT by medved
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56 posted on 05/12/2002 1:36:00 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: medved
There is some middle-class justice in all of this. Middle-class movers are going to become fabulously wealthy as masses of people move from LA. If ever there was a business opportunity of a lifetime for a low-tech job, moving people out of LA has got to soon be on the list of the top ten.
57 posted on 05/12/2002 8:06:08 PM PDT by Southack
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To: Southack
There may be some ultimate solution representing a happy medium between handing California over and having to retake it. Proposition 187 or whatever it was called sounded sort of like a step in the right direction. No welfare for illegals means that a Mexican comes to LA if there's some rational reason for it, i.e. a job waiting for him there. Is that one permanently dead and buried?
58 posted on 05/12/2002 8:30:31 PM PDT by medved
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To: sonofliberty2
You can thank people such as your Alienist father and others who ignored our warnings about immigration for such chilling statistics. ,/i>

My alienist father? What the heck are you talking about? You don't have a clue what my dad's position is on immigration. What about your alienist father?

59 posted on 05/13/2002 9:23:08 AM PDT by rightwing2
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To: rightwing2
Turning off italics
60 posted on 05/13/2002 9:23:51 AM PDT by rightwing2
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