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Somehow I knew you wouldn't be a "conflicted conservative!" I've admired you ever since you threatened to quit your Brokerage Firm when they proposed to have the bent one come and speak at their big meeting.

I understand the nostalgia that native Californians have of the miles of orange groves and seeing the mountains clearly in the distance almost everyday. They move up here in droves and tell me all about it.

Now that they moved here and find some semblance of the nightmare they left behind begin to grow even a little, or perceive any possible "growth inducing" possibilities, they attack the agricultural land owner for selling out to developers and chant in government meetings to make the land owner stay in unprofitable uses of his/her land... forever!!!

Yes, even Orange County Ex-Urban refugees who were Bob Dornan conservatives... Even Liberterians circulate petitions to our local government to force the ag landowner to never be able to further sub-divide.

The pear blight took out the pear orchards in the 1970's and now the grower can't grow houses or anything else because the kids won't stay with a dying enterprise. Who can blame them?

But do the conflicted conservatives care that they are forcing democratic/socialistic, even facistic government forces to destroy the landowner's investment backed expectations? No!

They get all indignant at anyone who attempts to support "the good ole boys" property rights and procede to mob them and intimidate local electeds into forfeiting everything the old man and woman dreamed of all their lives for their children.

And some even have the gaul to rave about how this is more democratic and the American way! Remember, I'm talking conservative Repubs and Libertarians here... self described when asked!!!

So everybody is "conservative" until it gets down to their own back yard, or the level of traffic on their commute to work for the government in the State Crapitol.

So principles be damned! If it threatens to cause one any discomfort what-so-ever... just get the hell outta the way of the mob I'ma gonna raise to impose my will all over yer body, buddy!!! We're gonna stop that urban sprawl at all costs. If jobs leave the State because Dirty Gray Davis signs that stupid law, all the better because they're "Growth Inducing!" (/saurcasm)(/rant)

"I've admired you ever since you threatened to quit your Brokerage Firm when they proposed to have the bent one come and speak at their big meeting."

The threat was on TV, I did it physically the next morning and let them know why in no kind terms.

I've also spent my life in construction and they can take their "green" programs, anti mining and loging, and anti oil drilling and stick them where the sun doesn't shine. Minerals are where the good lord put them and lumber comes from trees that grow where they are, not where some enviromentalist would like so you have to obtain them where they are and not where the whackos tell you that it's OK!