And my response to that is "So what?" Should everyone just adopt Joe's defeatism and give up?
Did anyone even remote suggest that you should?
There's no evidence of a drop in support (via polls) yet, if any will even occur.
Evidently you would state that the status quo is a great position to defend. You don't know if Simon would have gained points either. The fact is I doubt there is polling data available since those adds were run. Perhaps there is. I cannot believe those commercials are going to have zero effect. You guys seem to think it will have none. I would submit that a negative of that caliber is going to have an effect. You will submit that they won't.
President Bush hasn't pulled back from his scheduled fundraiser. So whatever damage last week may or may not have done, folks need to press forward and keep the faith. These emotional rollercoasters (I'm not referring to you here) are simply a waste of energy. They remind me vividly of all manic depression during the summer of 2000. Every good Bush poll or article evoked celebration and high fives, while a subsequent pro Gore poll/article brought out the naysayers and handwringers. Stay the course. Grayout Davis is a seriously wounded incumbent.
Look, I veiwed the add. You and your buds here are tuned into the political process. You are aware that facts have been twisted to tar Simon. I'd say there probably isn't 5% of the populace out there that is as tuned in to politics as you are. They will hear these adds in the background and come away thinking Simon has problems. That's negative. Spin it any way you like. State that we are emotional. State that we are trying to demoralize everyone. State anything you like. We have given our opinions of reality, and for that we are the target of comments that are unwilling to deal with reality.
I never advocated anyone not stay the course. That you try to infer otherwise reflects very badly on you.
You want a reason why Simon is tied instead of ahead of Davis in the polls? Two reasons: 1) The media. 2) All the naysayers running around wailing and gnashing
their teeth because Davis is rich and Simon isn't leading. This defeatism feeds off of itself. One of the most important things a campaign needs is the belief among the
regular voters that it can win. That belief unfortunately is waivering, in large part because of the biased media. But I think it's also doubt because of CA's recent
voting history and because conservatives by nature are just really good at whining and really poor at becoming active. Just my two cents.
You know what, I addressed one commercial. So far you guys have addressed everything but that one commercial. This is about the third thread I have entered regarding Simon this year. In it I made some reasoned comments regarding one commercial. In reaction you guys have gone off the deep end.
A reasoned response to my comments would have been, "Yes I saw those commercials and agree that they were very bad. I think Simon should create a thrity second spot to explain why he isn't connected to those charges." Instead each of you posted comments regarding Joe's and my attitudes. That was so lame. If you guys can't take one or two honest expression of opinion in stride over eight months, you've got the problem and not Joe and I.
Gray Davis has simply awful numbers. He will not inspire a large turnout. But the media and conservatives can certainly inspire a poor turnout for Simon, if we let
them, thereby handing the mansion back to Davis for four more years.
If you seriously think Joe's and my comments here are going to turn the "mansion" back over to Davis, then I'm talking to the wrong people. I had sought to talk to people who had some political savy.
25 posted on 8/6/02 10:33 AM Pacific by Coop
I cannot believe those commercials are going to have zero effect. You guys seem to think it will have none.
Nonsense. I just find it silly for all the naysayers and handwringers to CONTINUALLY say Simon doesn't have a prayer, when the numbers say otherwise. Should the polls subsequently show a drop in support, I'll worry then. Should the polls remain the same (Simon has led in nine of eleven polls), I'll undoubtedly continue to counter all the naysayers and handwringers who will still insist Grayout can't be beat.
I even took pains to exclude you from that group - perhaps an error on my part. :-) Live and learn.