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The End of the Internet as You Know it (three more days)
Oregon Magazine ^ | October 29, 2003 | Larry Leonard

Posted on 10/30/2003 12:45:43 AM PST by WaterDragon

The House has passed the Internet Tax Moratorium extension, and the responsible Senate committee has passed it to the floor, but Kent Conrad of North Dakota, Maria Cantwell of Washington and two other senators are blocking the vote.

If the Senate doesn’t immediately hold a vote, on midnight, November 1st, the moratorium will automatically expire and Katy bar the tax man’s door!.....(SNIP)

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KEYWORDS: deadline; expiration; globaltaxes; internet; internettaxes; larryleonard; moratorium; november1st; oregonmagazine; tax
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To: flashbunny
To: sausageseller Again, it's not as much the payment, but it's the compliance cost that will kill internet based business.

SS Why should it "be alive" at the expense of other tax payers?

Imagine all the states, counties, and localities with their own sales tax rate. Business will not only need to know what rate to charge for each taxing entity, they will have to keep up with the changes. They will also have to report and submit checks for each state. 50 checks at least quarterly. 200 checks a year, maybe more if they are required to submit monthly. Plus fill out all the paperwork complete with a breakdown of payment of sales tax by taxing entity.

SS. Many companies do this already. This is nothing new to any "brick and mortar" company that does business in different locations.

These out of state business have no presence in the state, and have no say / representation in the tasks they will be commanded to perform. A business based in a state can at least have a representative in the assembly and state senate to look out for them. An out of state business has nothing.

SS A business cannot vote for anyone. Only let their views can be expressed just as an internet company can. With the internet company not paying taxs or having to deal with all the regulations as a "brick and mortar" business does, why should the internet company have any say at all? An out of state business should stay out if they don't want to deal with the regulations.

For a small startup business, this is yet another stake in their hearts. Do you think a one or two person shop has the time to spend on compliance for the laws of 49 states they don't have operations in? No, they don't. And many of them can't afford to hire someone just to do the dirty work of 49 states that can't control their spending.

SS. I don't know why a start up should recieve any special treatment over a business that is struggling to comply now.

People wonder why jobs are moving overseas - it's things like this. "What's wrong with one more regulation or piece of paperwork to comply with?" It's killing businesses and killing jobs, that's what wrong with it.

SS. What is wrong is some people want special treatment!

If states want to collect taxes on out of state internet sales, just do what wisconsin does: Put a line on their state income tax form where taxpayers delcare their out of state purchase that are taxable. Then it's that states responsibility to process and enforce it. Not some other business 2000 miles away

SS. If a company is wanting to do business with a customer 2000 miles away they should look at all aspects of that transaction and follow all regulations. And it is real simple if they don't like it don't do it!

I have a business that has operations in seven different states. Why should a internet company not have to deal with the nighmare of crap I go through having to comply with all the different regulations? To me it is a fairness issue. And the internet companies have the upperhand. And now they are crying like litte children that they may have to do business in the real world!!!!!!!!

101 posted on 10/31/2003 5:47:23 AM PST by sausageseller
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To: flashbunny
To: sausageseller Again, it's not as much the payment, but it's the compliance cost that will kill internet based business.

SS Why should it "be alive" at the expense of other tax payers?

Imagine all the states, counties, and localities with their own sales tax rate. Business will not only need to know what rate to charge for each taxing entity, they will have to keep up with the changes. They will also have to report and submit checks for each state. 50 checks at least quarterly. 200 checks a year, maybe more if they are required to submit monthly. Plus fill out all the paperwork complete with a breakdown of payment of sales tax by taxing entity.

SS. Many companies do this already. This is nothing new to any "brick and mortar" company that does business in different locations.

These out of state business have no presence in the state, and have no say / representation in the tasks they will be commanded to perform. A business based in a state can at least have a representative in the assembly and state senate to look out for them. An out of state business has nothing.

SS A business cannot vote for anyone. Only let their views can be expressed just as an internet company can. With the internet company not paying taxs or having to deal with all the regulations as a "brick and mortar" business does, why should the internet company have any say at all? An out of state business should stay out if they don't want to deal with the regulations.

For a small startup business, this is yet another stake in their hearts. Do you think a one or two person shop has the time to spend on compliance for the laws of 49 states they don't have operations in? No, they don't. And many of them can't afford to hire someone just to do the dirty work of 49 states that can't control their spending.

SS. I don't know why a start up should recieve any special treatment over a business that is struggling to comply now.

People wonder why jobs are moving overseas - it's things like this. "What's wrong with one more regulation or piece of paperwork to comply with?" It's killing businesses and killing jobs, that's what wrong with it.

SS. What is wrong is some people want special treatment!

If states want to collect taxes on out of state internet sales, just do what wisconsin does: Put a line on their state income tax form where taxpayers delcare their out of state purchase that are taxable. Then it's that states responsibility to process and enforce it. Not some other business 2000 miles away

SS. If a company is wanting to do business with a customer 2000 miles away they should look at all aspects of that transaction and follow all regulations. And it is real simple if they don't like it don't do it!

I have a business that has operations in seven different states. Why should a internet company not have to deal with the nighmare of crap I go through having to comply with all the different regulations? To me it is a fairness issue. And the internet companies have the upperhand. And now they are crying like litte children that they may have to do business in the real world!!!!!!!!

102 posted on 10/31/2003 5:48:21 AM PST by sausageseller
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To: Samwise
It is much much worse than spineless weaselism.
103 posted on 10/31/2003 6:19:48 AM PST by wita
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To: Peace will be here soon
Everyone needs to realize that the Liberals in Congress are in the process of taking America over by obstructing and filabustering. They are circumventing the system and not allowing your Senator to vote. I say we are headed for a dictatorship or revolution and we must make the choice. Liberals will steal stall or do anything to force their will on America. Even up to the point of bringing in enough illegals and allowing those who are already here to vote to win the upcoming election.Sad but true there are those on both sides of the isle that are complicit in this an allow our country to be overrun with them.
104 posted on 10/31/2003 7:07:46 AM PST by gunnedah
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To: Republican Red
I hope for the sake of your business that you can get this net tax stopped. For me, I'll stop ordering from amazon.com if they tax my purchases.
105 posted on 10/31/2003 7:52:20 AM PST by Ciexyz
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To: WaterDragon
Also known as the "Offshore Web Commerce Hosting Promotion Act". . .
106 posted on 10/31/2003 9:45:39 AM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: Samwise
I'm beginning to think "Senator" is a synonym for "spineless weasel."

I found that out after the Senate trial of Clinton.

107 posted on 10/31/2003 9:52:34 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: All
.....when they get behind those committee and sub-committe doors all those great promises to fight for the working man/woman are suddenly lost in a sea of greedy intent.

By midnight tomorrow, unless we convince them otherwise with emails, faxes and phone calls, the moratorium is dropped, and as Leonard says..."Katy bar the taxman's door" They're already seeing dollar signs.

108 posted on 10/31/2003 10:48:20 AM PST by WaterDragon
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To: WaterDragon
Ban Taxes Bump
109 posted on 10/31/2003 12:36:49 PM PST by apackof2 (Watch and pray till you see Him coming, no one knows the hour or the day)
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To: wku man
"We get the government we deserve."

the old saw: "people get the kind of government they deserve."

true enough, perhaps.

the problem is that I get the kind of government that THEY deserve!

ugh.

110 posted on 10/31/2003 3:03:33 PM PST by johnboy
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To: johnboy
Yeah. Sucks, don't it? I say "we" meaning society as a whole, of course. Dang it, I deserve better that this! :)

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

111 posted on 10/31/2003 3:50:10 PM PST by wku man
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To: sausageseller
You are absolutely right. Real businesses - startups and otherwise - do business in a variety of states. Accounting software and accountants are able to easily and cheaply assess taxes by state and support compliance. Web-based businesses are no different than mail-order houses that must comply. Why should Lands End comply and Amazon not? While all of you beef about compliance with taxes, your local jurisdictions are raising your assessments and taxing your cell phones, and you're worried about saving a corporate tax break for Jeff Bezos. This issue has nothing to do with off-shoring, as that would not change the obligation of the retailer to comply. If you're agitated about this you are not informed.
112 posted on 10/31/2003 4:44:45 PM PST by usafsk ((Know what you're talking about before dance the QWERTY waltz))
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To: Peace will be here soon
You mean, they don't have enough money yet! When will they?
113 posted on 10/31/2003 7:36:21 PM PST by henderson field
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To: Peace will be here soon
You mean, they don't have enough money yet! When will they?
114 posted on 10/31/2003 7:36:29 PM PST by henderson field
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To: WaterDragon
Dang it! I meant to keep track of this expiration of the moratorium!

Can you give me an update as of 10:30PM Oct 31? Did the extension expire???

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115 posted on 10/31/2003 7:38:27 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: viaveritasvita
Friday, October 31, 2003; 3:42 PM


"Senate delayed its vote until late next week"
This is the latest on the issue I know of.

116 posted on 10/31/2003 8:06:52 PM PST by Peace will be here soon (Go USA Eagles !!! Beat those Frenchies !!!!)
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To: WaterDragon
These taxing politicians must be thrown out of office. Senate "hold rules" are immoral and bad government. 2 Rinos and 2 Dems.

The accounting for claims of packets will be impossible to manage.

We need an old fashioned tax revolt. Taxation without representation is bad enough, but taxation beyound human comprehension is destructive.
117 posted on 10/31/2003 8:14:46 PM PST by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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To: Peace will be here soon
Thanks for the update! Glad to know I have time to alert my friends and make a few phone calls early next week.

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118 posted on 10/31/2003 8:26:46 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: WaterDragon
The goal of all politicians is to tax every known revenue stream they see. They are addicts!

READ MY TAG LINE....

119 posted on 11/01/2003 9:59:04 AM PST by Humidston (Two Words: TERM LIMITS)
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To: WaterDragon
You vote Republican and get a socialist. The only people who vote Republican consistently are damned fools or "moderates." What we get from having a Republican majority can be summed up by the name of a Marilyn Manson tour: Guns, God and Government (and nothing else). Heavy emphasis on the last one.
120 posted on 11/02/2003 9:45:03 AM PST by CodeMonkey
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