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Gonzales nomination angers abortion foes
CNN ^ | 11/11/04 | CNN

Posted on 11/11/2004 12:34:14 PM PST by Pikamax

(CNN) -- An anti-abortion group Thursday accused President Bush of ignoring his anti-abortion principles in nominating White House counsel Alberto Gonzales for the post of attorney general.

"As a Texas Supreme Court justice, Gonzales' rulings implied he does not view abortion as a heinous crime," said Judie Brown, president of the American Life League, in a written statement.

Bush announced Wednesday that he had chosen his long-time friend to replace Attorney General John Ashcroft, who is stepping down. (Bush picks Gonzales to head Justice Department)

Gonzales has worked with Bush since he was the governor of Texas -- serving as Bush's general counsel, then as Texas Secretary of State before Bush appointed him to the state's highest court. (Gonzales political fortunes tied to Bush's)

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To: Pikamax

Do you notice how it's all the really liberal news sites that are pushing this story? Do you also notice that none of them will link to the actual court opinion that they pull small quotes from?

From what I've pieced together from different news articles, what he did was not be an activist judge. That's what scares the likes of CNN. He made his ruling based on the law, not based on his personal opinions.


21 posted on 11/11/2004 1:01:30 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: sassbox

People like Judie Brown are an albatross around the pro-life movement's neck. Her knee-jerk, paranoid reaction to Gonzales only portrays the pro-life movement to the rest of the nation as a bunch of religious whackos who believe in total abstinance. The fact that Bush is the most pro-life President since the Founders is a foreign concept to them.


22 posted on 11/11/2004 1:05:15 PM PST by ServesURight (Tim Michels for U.S. Senate Wisconsin)
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To: Pikamax

The silly evangelicals and pro-lifers actually think they are gonna get some real pull this time around . The only pull they got was the lever next to Bush's name. Now it's back to the closet for all real conservatives!


23 posted on 11/11/2004 1:05:17 PM PST by paleocon patriarch ("Never attribute to a conspiracy that which can be explained by incompetence.")
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To: Pikamax
"As a Texas Supreme Court justice, Gonzales' rulings implied he does not view abortion as a heinous crime," said Judie Brown, president of the American Life League, in a written statement.

Poor Judie apparently doesn't even know what the case was about or entailed. It sure wasn't about it being a crime but rather did Jane Doe 5 meet the requirements as outlined in the Parental Notification Act passed by the Texas Legislature.... It was a 6-3 decision. Funny how she never mentions the other four cases prior to Jane Doe 5 where he voted to deny the bypass... I wonder why? Judicial activism isn't acceptable from either side of the aisle, imo and for the right wing to persue it makes them no better than the far left wing.

From the Opinion .....

B. The Statutory Proof Standard

In creating the bypass procedure, the Legislature delegated no authority to the courts to determine the grounds upon which to grant a bypass. Rather, it specifically enumerated the grounds that, if shown, require the courts to grant a parental notification waiver. Neither did the Legislature give courts authority to decide the level of proof a minor must show to prove that she is entitled to a bypass. And although the Legislature could have chosen to impose a higher standard of proof, such as by requiring the minor to establish the statutory requisites by "clear and convincing" proof or proof "beyond a reasonable doubt," it did not do so. Instead, it set the level of proof at the lower "preponderance of the evidence" standard. (3)


24 posted on 11/11/2004 1:14:48 PM PST by deport (I've done a lot things.... seen a lot of things..... Most of which I don't remember.)
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To: Pikamax

Already?


25 posted on 11/11/2004 1:15:19 PM PST by The_Republican
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To: smith288
Will Gonzalez try to enforce law already on the books? Isn't that what the AG does?

Here's what John Ashcroft said about that: "I believe Roe v. Wade as an original matter was wrongly decided. I am personally opposed to abortion. But I well understand that the role of attorney general is to enforce the law as it is, not as I would have it. I accept Roe and Casey as the settled law of the land. If confirmed as attorney general, I will follow the law in this area and in all other areas. The Supreme Court’s decisions on this have been multiple, they have been recent and they have been emphatic.

I have been entrusted with public service for more than 25 years. It’s a responsibility I have honored and a trust that I believe I have kept. During those years I have not thought of myself as a public servant of some of the people, but a keeper of the public trust for all the people. If I become US attorney general, I again commit to enforcing the law, all of the law for all of the people. As a man of faith I take my word and my integrity seriously. So when I swear to uphold the law I will keep my oath, so help me God."

Source: Senate confirmation hearing Jan 17, 2001
26 posted on 11/11/2004 1:15:50 PM PST by Leonard210
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To: smith288

The AG does more than interpret law. He gives legal advise to the POTUS. He will likely advise Bush that abortion should be legal. Gonzales is a liberal on social issues.


The Attorney General, as head of the Department of Justice and chief law enforcement officer of the Federal Government, represents the United States in legal matters generally and gives advice and opinions to the President and to the heads of the executive departments of the Government when so requested. The Attorney General appears in person to represent the Government before the U.S. Supreme Court in cases of exceptional gravity or importance.

from www.usdoj.gov/ag/index.html


27 posted on 11/11/2004 1:18:11 PM PST by siliconpatriot
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To: siliconpatriot

He gives legal advise to the POTUS.



So what's new about that? He is already doing that without the AG title.


28 posted on 11/11/2004 1:22:26 PM PST by deport (I've done a lot things.... seen a lot of things..... Most of which I don't remember.)
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To: ServesURight

very true. Judie and ALL are really embarrassing to mainstream pro-lifers. I've read alot of things by Judie and her tone borders on hysterical. Typical of the MSM to get her reaction to Gonzales, rather than going to the mainstream, level-headed National Right to Life.


29 posted on 11/11/2004 1:23:28 PM PST by sassbox
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To: deport

As AG he will have the Civil Rights division working for him. Hundreds of lawyers based in DC (many very liberal) that want to go after pro-lifers and EEO violators.

Gonzales is liberal on both issues.

If you like that then you should be happy.


30 posted on 11/11/2004 1:27:06 PM PST by siliconpatriot
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To: paleocon patriarch
The silly evangelicals and pro-lifers actually think they are gonna get some real pull this time around . The only pull they got was the lever next to Bush's name. Now it's back to the closet for all real conservatives!

You can't pack the government with 100% pro-lifers. I'm willing to reserve judgement until I see the totally of his appointments. Better Gonzalez is AG then Justice as long as a pro-lifer replaces Rehnquist. I'm partial to Luttig.

31 posted on 11/11/2004 1:29:14 PM PST by copycat (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. - Goldwater)
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To: copycat

Better Gonzales as AG than Supreme Court I agree. Although he will still be able to do significant damage at the DOJ.

All this really just shows Bush's true colors. He seems to be a social liberal at heart.


32 posted on 11/11/2004 1:32:41 PM PST by siliconpatriot
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
CNN playing the divide and conquer game.

Third time in the last week.

33 posted on 11/11/2004 1:34:08 PM PST by WildTurkey
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To: siliconpatriot

If you like that then you should be happy.



Thanks..... I am happy. President Bush won re-election and I'd rather have that for the next four years than the alternative. I supported him during the election and I'll continue to support him for the next four years.


34 posted on 11/11/2004 1:43:36 PM PST by deport (I've done a lot things.... seen a lot of things..... Most of which I don't remember.)
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To: deport

I voted for him too. But you can't blindly support everything he does.

Michele Maulkin is opposed to him too.

http://www.michellemalkin.com/


35 posted on 11/11/2004 1:46:39 PM PST by siliconpatriot
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To: siliconpatriot
Michele Maulkin is opposed to him too.


I don't follow her blindly either.... So is Joseph Farah in his scathing piece in WND. But I voted for him to make the decisions and set the policy and until he proves to be in error I'll continue to support him. I personally don't think Gonzales proves him wrong. If so then President Bush has been wrong about Gonzales for some 10 years or more that he's had him as his confidant and advisor.
36 posted on 11/11/2004 1:57:27 PM PST by deport (I've done a lot things.... seen a lot of things..... Most of which I don't remember.)
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To: deport

I too am hoping Gonzales does not force feed affirmative action and abortion down our throats. We shall see what happens.

Here's a Bob Novak column that sums it up nicely in my opinion.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20030123.shtml

I don't usually post here unless something really bugs me. And this guy does.

Linda Chavez would be a better choice. A female Hispanic. And very conservative.


37 posted on 11/11/2004 2:01:36 PM PST by siliconpatriot
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To: siliconpatriot
All this really just shows Bush's true colors. He seems to be a social liberal at heart.

Perhaps he has promised to pursue Bush's policies rather than his own? I think Colin Powell said something similar. Still reserving judgement...

38 posted on 11/11/2004 2:13:06 PM PST by copycat (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. - Goldwater)
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To: siliconpatriot
What most disturbed conservatives was his majority opinion invalidating a statute requiring parental notification of abortion by a minor.
The above quote by Novak only proves he has no idea of what the case was even about..... It had nothing to with invalidating the Texas Parental Notification Act but rather did the lower court and appeals court err in denying a judicial bypass to Jane Doe 5....... They don't mention the four previous Jane Doe cases where he upheld the lower and apellate courts denials, do they. I wonder why? Could it be they don't fit their agenda at this time or maybe they'd prefer someone to write legislation from the bench? I don't and think it's as distasteful from the right as it is from the left.

I posted the following in a reply up thread but I'll follow up with it here again..... The Jane Doe 5 case centered at least in part on the following:

From the Opinion .....

B. The Statutory Proof Standard

In creating the bypass procedure, the Legislature delegated no authority to the courts to determine the grounds upon which to grant a bypass. Rather, it specifically enumerated the grounds that, if shown, require the courts to grant a parental notification waiver. Neither did the Legislature give courts authority to decide the level of proof a minor must show to prove that she is entitled to a bypass. And although the Legislature could have chosen to impose a higher standard of proof, such as by requiring the minor to establish the statutory requisites by "clear and convincing" proof or proof "beyond a reasonable doubt," it did not do so. Instead, it set the level of proof at the lower "preponderance of the evidence" standard. (3)


39 posted on 11/11/2004 2:14:00 PM PST by deport (I've done a lot things.... seen a lot of things..... Most of which I don't remember.)
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To: deport

I'm all for interpeting the law as opposed to legislating from the bench. But he is a social liberal.

Hopefully he will not water down attempts to do away with affirmative action. And he won't use the Civil Rights division to go after pro-lifers.

We shall see.


40 posted on 11/11/2004 2:18:59 PM PST by siliconpatriot
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