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To: Jibaholic
It's nonsense like this and the transnational open borders beliefs that keep me from taking the libertarians seriously (even though I defend them in most threads).

I very well understand your reservation about libertarians calling for voters not to throw their vote away by voting straight a republican ticket. I also understand that when combining this reservation with the libertarian stand on open borders, taking them seriously can be a difficult step. What I don't understand is your claim that you "defend them in most threads," and then turn around on this thread attacking what is generally held as pretty fundamental to all libertarians as well as most all Americans. That is respecting other's right to freedom of speech.

Our society has reached the point where you essentially have to pull a Timothy Leary, drop out, and live in a bubble in order to raise children with a decent morals. And yet the sex, drugs and libertarianism crowd wants us to make it even more difficult to raise healthy children.

Its always been difficult to raise children with decent morals. I don't understand however why you think one has to "drop out, and live in a bubble in order to raise children with a decent morals." I also do not understand why you toss the libertarians in with the sex and drug "crowd." Nor do I understand why you think any of them want you to make it more difficult to raise children.

Libertarians as I see it, want to make it easier for you to raise your children to be decent moral citizens. It seems to me that your unsupported claim otherwise, is not much different than your claim that you "defend" libertarians on "most threads." I am not just questioning your honesty here, but am also questioning your morality.

177 posted on 06/04/2005 11:34:12 PM PDT by jackbob
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To: jackbob
What I don't understand is your claim that you "defend them in most threads," and then turn around on this thread attacking what is generally held as pretty fundamental to all libertarians as well as most all Americans.

I commonly defend libertarians on economic grounds, and I even defend them on moral grounds because many of the moral problems in today's society are created by the moral hazard effect of the government's safety nets. However, as this thread has demonstrated, libertarians don't like to think about external costs in transactions (costs that are paid by third parties and not buyers or sellers).

I don't understand however why you think one has to "drop out, and live in a bubble in order to raise children with a decent morals."

My friends at dinner last night were telling the story about their daughter. They make sure that she dresses modestly, but she gets teased by the other girls for doing so. She wants to buy clothes like all the other girls her age are wearing: short skirts, tight hiphugging pants in which thongs peak out of the top, and midriff-baring tops. This girl is twelve years old!

No other parents in American history have had to face these pressures, and the out-of-wedlock first birth rate has never been even a third as high as it is these past few decades. And yet the libertarians on this thread are content to tell our parents "Be good parents and block that channel and you'll be fine!"

178 posted on 06/05/2005 6:00:31 AM PDT by Jibaholic (The facts of life are conservative - Margaret Thatcher)
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