[Ranger]

It would be spiffy if "total victory" were defined in a way that was achievable.

[Soul Seeker]

Sure, a free country in the Middle east allowing its people a voice in its own government absent opression from a butcher dictator able to defend their own is a pipe dream.

Except it's not. It's currently occuring with free elections and construct of a Constitution.

People more concerned with improving their own government to improve their standard of life instead of joining terrorist camps is impossible. yet, it's not. The terrorists are complaining about their inability to recruit numbers they hoped for, the people in the M.E. are not rising up and the Iraqi people are joining security forces to push these terrorists out of their country.

Please understand, I don't give a damn about any opinion that contends otherwise falsely. I'm humoring your comment, nothing more, nothing less. :-)

[ex-snook]

"It would be spiffy if "total victory" were defined in a way that was achievable."

Would also help to define terrorist as distinct from Sunnis who do not want to be cut out of oil or subject to Islam law.

[lugsoul]

Does 'total victory' include victory over those terrorists presently safely esconced within the borders of our biggest 'allies' in the region?

(Yes - I mean the ones who have actually attacked us...)