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Two super-dense neutron stars circling each other [1] are expected to emit gravitational waves that move out at the speed of light At GEO 600, a high-powered laser [2] is fired at a 'beam splitter' - a semi-transparent mirror - which divides the beam down two vacuumed tunnels Mirrors [a+b] at the far ends bounce the light back; more mirrors [c+d] extend the measuring distance, and still more [e+f] are used to recycle the power and enhance the signal The light paths from the separate arms are recombined and sent to a photodetector. If a gravitational wave has passed though the observatory, it will have changed the length of the arms and the signal should be evident when analysed by computer

1 posted on 11/09/2005 1:41:46 PM PST by aculeus
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To: RadioAstronomer; PatrickHenry

graviton ping!


2 posted on 11/09/2005 1:45:15 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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Corrected caption in reply #1 follows ...


HOW A LASER INTERFEROMETER CAN CATCH THE ELUSIVE WAVES


Two super-dense neutron stars circling each other [1] are expected to emit gravitational waves that move out at the speed of light At GEO 600, a high-powered laser [2] is fired at a 'beam splitter' - a semi-transparent mirror - which divides the beam down two vacuumed tunnels Mirrors [a+b] at the far ends bounce the light back; more mirrors [c+d] extend the measuring distance, and still more [e+f] are used to recycle the power and enhance the signal The light paths from the separate arms are recombined and sent to a photodetector. If a gravitational wave has passed though the observatory, it will have changed the length of the arms and the signal should be evident when analysed by computer


3 posted on 11/09/2005 1:46:29 PM PST by aculeus
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It will be interesting to see just how fast these waves propogate. It may be faster than the speed of light.


4 posted on 11/09/2005 1:46:45 PM PST by keithtoo (Vast Right Wing Conspiracy - Founding Member)
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This won't tear a hole in the space-time continuium and end all life as we know it, will it?


5 posted on 11/09/2005 1:47:39 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: aculeus; Right Wing Professor; RadioAstronomer; js1138; RightWhale; PatrickHenry; AndrewC

If you want to investigate Gravity waves, start with the tides of our oceans.

Carefully note the precise lag between the tide rising compared to the overhead orbital position of our Moon. That lag helps indicate the propagation speed of Gravity.

7 posted on 11/09/2005 1:49:50 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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Looks like Michelson - Morley without the mercury bearing.

Looks like it would pick up any ground born vibration down to a fly landing or a gust of wind to small to feel. A fantastically noisy signal.


11 posted on 11/09/2005 1:55:02 PM PST by Iris7 ("Let me go to the house of the Father.")
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Cheap shot incoming....

Any moving mass will send gravitational waves radiating outwards at the speed of light; but only truly massive bodies, such as exploding stars and coalescing neutron stars, can disturb space-time sufficiently for our technology to pick up the signal.

Alternate test subjects:


12 posted on 11/09/2005 1:55:10 PM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HUAC!)
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Bump to read again when I have more time to follow/understand the physics behind it.


14 posted on 11/09/2005 1:57:25 PM PST by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: aculeus

Something else to keep up on. Thanks.


15 posted on 11/09/2005 1:57:51 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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17 posted on 11/09/2005 1:59:33 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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Reminiscent of the Michelson Interferometer.


19 posted on 11/09/2005 2:01:43 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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But wouldn't the passing gravitational wave change not only the spatial length but also everything in that space, light wavelength included?


21 posted on 11/09/2005 2:06:27 PM PST by GSlob
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"The displacement sensitivity of GEO 600 is one three-thousandth of the diameter of a proton," explains Professor Karsten Danzmann, from the Albert Einstein Institute and Hanover University..."Put another way, it's equivalent to measuring a change of one hydrogen atom diameter in the distance from the Earth to the Sun."....Careful refinement and tuning of the instrumentation has moved the installation very close to the required sensitivity

KEWL! ...Picometer range?.. :)

25 posted on 11/09/2005 2:13:10 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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World's biggest interferrometer?


27 posted on 11/09/2005 2:13:42 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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I have always felt that gravity was a constant.

Sort of like the ocean where any 'movement' of the waters is really the 'effect' of passing through it.

I'm just using the ocean as a rough example.

Since I have no real scientific background to test this, then I also have no way to prove it either.


31 posted on 11/09/2005 2:25:15 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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I thought that they proved that gravity travels at the speed of light when it was first observed that the relative position of an orbiting body (like the sun) tacked the gravitational pull of the orbit around it (like the earth).

8 minute delay in both cases.


35 posted on 11/09/2005 2:32:20 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Look for the union label--on the bat crashing through your windshield!)
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37 posted on 11/09/2005 2:40:02 PM PST by GallopingGhost
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Interferometers are amazing. They don't work in the hoped for way when the ether itself is warping. Alexander Graham Bell's experiment came up empty, so Fitzgerald and Einstein had to figure out something else.

Whatever theory you might have, it is a special case of the more general theory yet to come. This statement is an article of what passes for faith in science.

40 posted on 11/09/2005 2:48:27 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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OK, for an Art Bell moment (arrgh...!)

I had a dram the other night, that there are more dimensions to travelling waves, and that the fastest waves depend on a boundary layer, wether in 3-space or more space.

My dream said that creating a wave in water involved some kind of force, let's say a palm striking downward in a pool, from the air. The initial strike transfers an impact force to the water, travelling at the speed of sound in the water. The "smack" is a square wave type, and travels at the speed of sound by compression and reaction of the components of water.

The "follow through" is when the palm continues, generating a much, much slower wave at the boundary layer between the water and air.

I can't much remember the dream, other than it explains heat transfer, and that EM waves are similar to the second type of reaction, the "follow through." As in you have to move an electric or magnetic field a relatively long distance to create EM waves.

My dream said that if you even start to move an electric or magnetic field, it would be like the first instance, the "smack," square wave thing, that would propagate immensely faster. Just the start of such an incident would cause instantaneous reaction elsewhere, according to our current "speed of light" based measuring tools. There is a delay, just not measurable with our current tools.

As soon as you start to move whatever, the initial "smack" motion propagates at far beyond light speeds.

Then my dream said it explained quantum twin reactions, where "twin" particles knew where each was, and knew what each was doing, way beyond the speed of light.

Yeah, then I woke up.



43 posted on 11/09/2005 2:51:13 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Look for the union label--on the bat crashing through your windshield!)
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Excellent stuff!

BUMP

46 posted on 11/09/2005 2:53:36 PM PST by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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