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Abandoning Iraq: Does Rep. Murtha understand the consequences of immediate withdrawal from Iraq?
The Weekly Standard ^ | November 19, 2005 | Robert Kagan and William Kristol

Posted on 11/19/2005 12:30:00 PM PST by new yorker 77

REP. JACK MURTHA has had a distinguished congressional career. But his outburst last Thursday was breathtakingly irresponsible. Nowhere in his angry and emotional call for the immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq did the Pennsylvania Democrat bother to ask, much less answer, the most serious questions his proposal raises. What would be the likely outcome in Iraq if the United States pulled out? Does Murtha actually believe the Iraqi people could fight the al Qaeda terrorists and Saddam Hussein loyalists by themselves once American forces left? He does not say. In fact, he knows perfectly well that the Iraqi people are not yet capable of defending themselves against the monsters in their midst and that, therefore, a U.S. withdrawal would likely lead to carnage on a scale that would dwarf what is now occurring in Iraq.

But that would be just the beginning. If U.S. troops were withdrawn and the Iraqi people were not able to defeat the terrorists and Saddam loyalists, what would happen? What if Zarqawi and his al Qaeda allies were able to make common cause with the Baathists to turn Iraq into a terrorist state or to provide a haven for terrorists, complete with an oil supply to finance their global activities? And what of Iraq's neighbors, which include Iran, Syria, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia? They would likely decide that they could not afford to let a vacuum develop in Iraq or allow their adversaries to establish a base there. All these nations would contemplate military intervention in Iraq, directly or indirectly through the arming of allies. The possibility of a regional conflict erupting among any or all of these powers could not be excluded. Is this is a tolerable outcome for the United States?

In fact, Murtha does seem to be aware of the disasters that are almost certain to follow the immediate withdrawal he demands. He calls for the creation of "a quick reaction force in the region." He calls for "an over-the-horizon presence of Marines." And he calls for the United States "to diplomatically pursue security and stability in Iraq." We have too much respect for Murtha to believe that he seriously imagines we would be able through diplomacy alone to bring "security and stability" to Iraq. But the question is, when the inevitable disaster unfolded as a result of his proposed withdrawal, what would be his plan for the "quick reaction force" and "over-the-horizon presence" of the Marines? It seems he would have us withdraw our forces, hand a monumental moral, political, and military victory to the terrorists in Iraq and all over the world--only to take us back into war when the inevitable disaster began to unfold.

Murtha, of course, claims that the U.S. occupation is the primary problem in Iraq and that "our troops have become the primary target of the insurgency. They are united against U.S. forces, and we have become a catalyst for violence." This is nonsense. For many months now, the insurgents have been shifting their attacks away from U.S. and coalition forces and directing them at Iraqis instead. Iraqis now make up the overwhelming majority of casualties resulting from insurgent attacks. This shift is evidence not only of the effectiveness of our protective measures, but also of the growing vitality of the Iraqi political process, which the insurgents, according to their own statements, fear and hate more than the U.S. military presence. As for the rise in the number of "incidents" against U.S. forces to which Murtha points, those numbers do not distinguish between incidents initiated by insurgents and those initiated by Americans. Recent U.S. operations have generated a large number of incidents, indeed--almost all of them supporting the coalition's goals and harming the insurgents.

We do not pretend that all is well in Iraq, although things are starting to look a bit better. We agree with Murtha, and have written repeatedly, that the military is stretched thin and needs to be increased. The congressman, however, is in a position to do something about that. We, for one, would support any legislation he offered to increase the size of the Army and the military budget in this time of war.

In 1946, George Orwell remarked that "the quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."Victory is in fact possible, though it will require a longer war than anyone would like, but not so long a war as to be intolerable. What would be intolerable would be to lose to the terrorists in Iraq. Immediate withdrawal from Iraq is a prescription for catastrophe. Far from extricating ourselves from a crisis, we would have driven ourselves into an even deeper crisis. It is no favor to the members of the armed forces who have served or are serving in Iraq to declare now that all their efforts and sacrifices are in vain. The way to honor their sacrifices is by winning.

--Robert Kagan and William Kristol


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1 posted on 11/19/2005 12:30:02 PM PST by new yorker 77
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To: new yorker 77

Evidently so. That's why he voted against himself. LOL


2 posted on 11/19/2005 12:30:57 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: new yorker 77

He did it while the President was overseas. Unforgivable.


3 posted on 11/19/2005 12:33:41 PM PST by panzer_grey
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To: new yorker 77
In my opinion, it's not that he doesn't understand. It's that he doesn't care, so long as it makes the Bush admin look bad. Their only goal is to bring him down, and as far as they're concerned, anything goes--even if it means total destruction of this country.
4 posted on 11/19/2005 12:33:47 PM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: MizSterious
Selfish Democrats know that American troops will eventually withdraw from Iraq, but only after Iraqis demonstrate the ability to maintain stability.

Until then, training will continue along with reconstruction and anti-terror operations.

As Iraqis stand up, we will stand down.

After the December 15th election, 20,000 to 30,000 troops will be coming home. That has been the plan for months.
5 posted on 11/19/2005 12:40:03 PM PST by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: new yorker 77; All

If you guys want other links to the GOP showdown and Murtha:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/1525149/posts?page=30


6 posted on 11/19/2005 12:41:22 PM PST by AliVeritas (''I'd rather have Jihadis in front of me than Democrats behind me.'' Go GOP!)
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To: AliVeritas
The liberals in the press and the congress are the ally of the enemy.

If the opinion of veterans, active duty service personnel, and family members of those lost in combat are the litmus test for approval on President Bush, then a truthful media would have ended this debate at the point when the reality of overwhelming support for the President would crush the liberal's dishonest agenda.

That will never happen as long as the sin of omission continues among a biased anti-military, anti-Bush and anti-American press.
7 posted on 11/19/2005 12:44:45 PM PST by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: DoughtyOne

The best example yet for term limits. I hope the man's district takes note. Some seem to get really shakey after too much time in DC..


8 posted on 11/19/2005 12:44:47 PM PST by glowworm ( Liberalism is truly a mental condition...)
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9 posted on 11/19/2005 12:45:36 PM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: new yorker 77
The left in America, and the world for that matter, do not give a care about "stability", the Iraqi people, the Afghan people, the American people, defeating terrorists, and the progress made in bringing freedom not only to Iraq and Afghanistan but the progress made in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Iran in increasing freedom there. The left only cares about "defeating" a President who cannot run for another term in office.

For many on the left, their blind, irrational hatred of President Bush is all that drives them. They will do anything to defeat him and anything or anyone else who suffers from their policy of "bash Bush" be damned. It's amazing the treasonous depths the left will go to to achieve this, the lies they will tell, the history they will rewrite.

For a large minority on the left though, there is something even more sinister. These "people" from Move-on, ANSWER, QUIT, Stormfront, Indymedia, and other groups actually do seek the total and complete destruction of the USA and will side with any cause that will help in this destruction. This includes the terrorists. The sad, ironic part of the "alliance" between the Terrorists and the "useful idiots" of the left is, these leftists are the ones the terrorists want to kill the most, and will be exterminated if by the same terrorists if Al Quieda and Co are victorious.

Amazing what insanity the national socialist left will incorporate for their goals.
10 posted on 11/19/2005 12:46:02 PM PST by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just NAZIism without the "twisted cross")
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To: new yorker 77

He understands 400-3.


11 posted on 11/19/2005 12:46:43 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: LibFreeUSA
We get rid of Baghdad Bob only to have him replaced by Baghdad Moore, Baghdad Kennedy, and Baghdad Murtha.

A real life "attack of the clones"!
12 posted on 11/19/2005 12:48:32 PM PST by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just NAZIism without the "twisted cross")
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To: M1Tanker

I have never been more motivated to vote in a midterm election than I am to vote in 2006.

Conservatives outnumber liberals and we will crush them come next November.

If they want to use their power hungry selfishness to destroy our President and our Party and lead to the deaths of millions abroad, they have another thing coming.


13 posted on 11/19/2005 12:48:50 PM PST by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: glowworm

I agree.


14 posted on 11/19/2005 12:50:13 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: new yorker 77

I just hope the military absentee ballots are counted this time, unlike the 2000 and 2004 elections where they were thrown out by the Left everywhere the left could do it.


15 posted on 11/19/2005 12:50:44 PM PST by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just NAZIism without the "twisted cross")
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To: LibFreeUSA

There are no U.S. troops in Iraq... it's all a big lie.

Good one!


16 posted on 11/19/2005 12:50:57 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: M1Tanker

The entire Democrat party policy has become an extension and support arm of the Bathist strategy and objective. Unbelievable!


17 posted on 11/19/2005 12:51:30 PM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: LibFreeUSA

Democrat party, no wonder they're called the "RAT" party. Rats "Cut and run" when the light is shown on them.


18 posted on 11/19/2005 12:53:26 PM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: new yorker 77

I posted this on another thread. It's probably applicable here:

I wish the sheeple would realize the "There Was No WMD!" crowd is just nuts, and worse. Of COURSE there was WMD in Iraq, along with mass graves, torture houses, children's prisons, and a whole host of other atrocities. The incredible popularity President Bush enjoyed early in the war as Iraq was being liberated just simply drove the Left completely insane. So it was that they had to use something as innocuous as a line in a State of the Union address to have ANYTHING to hang onto.

And the mainstream media shamefully helped the screeching Left by amplifying that innocuous line into a full-blown "scandal." It was all they had, too, to attack this popular President with -- until they started manufacturing things out of whole cloth.

No reasonable person can doubt hat removing Saddam was the right thing to do. As a sponsor of terrorism ($25,000 to the families of homicide bombers, offering sanctuary to known terrorists), it was essential he be eliminated early as a factor in the War on Terror. Iraq also provided a chance to show the Mideast that the United States meant business in the wake of 9/11, and an opportunity to show how democracy can work in the region.

The war is, all things considered, a smashing success. Just imagine how it would be being applauded in the MSM if Bill Clinton was running it: we'd be seeing the opening of every new school, hospital and power plant on the nightly news, with Bill Himself cutting the ribbons. The Iraqi election and new constitution would have made Lindbergh-sized headlines, and Bill would probably have won the Nobel Peace Prize.

But the Dems and the MSM are just irrationally incapable of admitting the war conducted by President Bush is any sort of success, because the "Bush Bash" is the very last weapon left in their arsenal. They're nothing but con artists trying to prop up a failed and outmoded belief system, and it seems they will literally kill to do it.

As a great man once said, words that should be heeded now even more than then: the wheel has turned, and it is time for them to go.


19 posted on 11/19/2005 12:53:41 PM PST by JennysCool (Non-Y2K-Compliant)
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To: new yorker 77

The old blowhard has been brainwashed by Nasty Pelosi.


20 posted on 11/19/2005 12:54:06 PM PST by dc-zoo
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