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Sharp Objects May Be Allowed on Planes
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Posted on 11/30/2005 5:29:09 AM PST by zeke15

Sharp Objects May Be Allowed on Planes

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Airport security screeners are reportedly going to let passengers bring sharp objects on board airplanes again. Today's Washington Post says the Transportation Security Administration plans to announce security changes Friday.

Sources quoted by the paper say the new rules will allow things like scissors in carry-on bags. The reasoning is that such items are no longer regarded as the greatest threat to airline security. Homeland Security Department officials are said to be more concerned about preventing suicide bomb attacks at airports. Officials want screeners to focus more on finding things that can explode rather than things that are sharp.

The Post reports the newly relaxed rules would allow scissors under four inches long tools shorter than seven inches.

TSA spokeswoman says the new initiatives will be positive for both security and customer service.


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To: Oztrich Boy
I thought the suggestion that the airlines put a 12" metal bar in every seat-back pocket had promise.

That's not a bad idea, but I'd prefer a handgun with instructions for use. In fact, I'd love to see the presentation by the flight attendants: "In case of a highjacking, please remove the handgun from the seatback in front of you and insert the cartridge as Debbie is now demonstrating . . . "

(And you're right, we are overdue for Nehemiah Scudder. Could RAH have been that wrong?)

21 posted on 11/30/2005 5:47:56 AM PST by TheGhostOfTomPaine
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To: dinodino
Sounds sensible to me. Nowadays, any hijackers with boxcutters would be ripped apart by the other passengers. Nailcutters and other small sharp objects should be allowed in bags.

On Fox this morning, they commented that in the event of a high-jacking with sharp objects, the pilot would be able to land the plane because of the secured cockpit door but back in the cabin, the aisle would run with blood. My immediate thought was that the only blood in the aisle will be that flowing from the unrecognizable remains of the unfortunate schmuck who thought it would be a good idea to threaten a plane load of American passengers post 9/11.

22 posted on 11/30/2005 5:48:51 AM PST by Pete
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To: mirkwood
How can these measures now be relaxed?

This was just meaningless window dressing. 9/11 happened because no one expected that anyone would be crazy enough to intentionally fly a loaded passenger jet into a building. The next time someone tries to hijack an aircraft with box cutters, they are going to be shredded and tossed out an airlock. If anything, this change will improve security.
23 posted on 11/30/2005 5:49:04 AM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
No, that wouldn't happen. If they cut someone's throat there would be mass shock. I just don't get this ruling...its just not making any sense.

I think you overestimate the 'mass shock', and underestimate some of your fellow passengers.

A great many of us fools tend to rush in where angels fear to tread - I say this, not because I'm particularly brave, but because I already know that I react to dangerous situations with anger, and not a lot of thought. Therefore, I'm probably not the guy you want next to you at a bank robbery - but in a hijack situation where the assumption is that we'll probably all end up splattered into a building, it's useful.
24 posted on 11/30/2005 5:52:40 AM PST by beezdotcom (Xenalyte has posted! Please observe five seconds of respectful silence.....thank you.)
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To: TheGhostOfTomPaine

"The proximate cause was a sharp object, but the underlying cause was that passengers weren't (and still aren't) allowed to carry licensed firearms on board. Change that rule and nobody will ever again hijack an aircraft with a box cutter."

I am a big supporter of the second ammendment, but I don't want guns on planes. I'd imagine terrorists would be in favor of this possibility. All they'd need to do is buy up ten or twelve seats, and have everyone out gunned. I doubt very many passengers would bring guns, so i'd wouldn't be very hard.


25 posted on 11/30/2005 5:52:59 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: zeke15
***Sharp Objects May Be Allowed on Planes***

About time. I hate leaving my Bowie knife at home.

26 posted on 11/30/2005 5:54:02 AM PST by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: SmoothTalker
I am a big supporter of the second ammendment, but I don't want guns on planes. I'd imagine terrorists would be in favor of this possibility. All they'd need to do is buy up ten or twelve seats, and have everyone out gunned. I doubt very many passengers would bring guns, so i'd wouldn't be very hard.

That's a good point, but I still think the deterrent effect alone would generally prevent the scenario you envision. Highjackers don't want to get shot (and even the ones who want to fly planes into buildings don't want to get killed before they can do it). Even if there were a dozen or more highjackers/terrorists, each one of them would be risking death if even one other passenger were carrying. (As you probably know, the deterrent effect of concealed-carry laws works on the same principle: probably most people are not in fact carrying concealed weapons, but anyone might be.)

27 posted on 11/30/2005 5:57:48 AM PST by TheGhostOfTomPaine
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To: zeke15

This whole thing has always been a joke. Although one was not allowed to bring nail clippers -- metal pens (steel Mont Blanc for example) and credit cards (which can be sharpened) have never been banned and have a far more destructive potential. Finally, after years of martial arts training if someone were to stick a box cutter in my face I would stick it somewhere far more distasteful on their person.


29 posted on 11/30/2005 6:07:26 AM PST by Cicero5
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To: COUNTrecount
... under four inches long tools shorter than seven inches.
No comment.

Damn, I can't fly now...

30 posted on 11/30/2005 6:08:40 AM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Hey, I want to know if they will let me bring on my size 000 knitting needles. Pointy sticks made of steel....


31 posted on 11/30/2005 6:08:49 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: AbeKrieger
The reasoning is that such items are no longer regarded as the greatest threat to airline security. Ahh I get it...no longer the greatest threat... In other news, bailiffs nationwide are now allowing switchblades into courtrooms because...well they're just more concerned with handguns. Um, shouldn't "security" be eliminating ANY potential threat???
32 posted on 11/30/2005 6:09:40 AM PST by zeke15
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To: AbeKrieger
***I miss the point of this. Was it a bomb, or a sharp object, that enabled the events of 9/11?***

Good question and point.
They had stinking little utility knives (aka 'box cutters'), BUT they also had boxes which allegedly held bombs.

And IIRC, on flight 93 over PA they realized there wasn't any bomb.

An aside, no terrorist with a 'sharpened object' will ever be able to hijack a plane again. Not in the USA anyway.

33 posted on 11/30/2005 6:12:02 AM PST by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: AbeKrieger

"Then again, sharp objects don't hijack planes, militant Muslims do. Neither should be on a U.S. flight."

Now you're talking. Lets get to the heart of the problem. Our first enemy is Muslims; a close second is Political Correctness.


34 posted on 11/30/2005 6:17:48 AM PST by RoadTest (Margaret Thatcher gave the best definition of "consensus": Lack of leadership.)
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To: dinodino
"Nowadays, any hijackers with boxcutters would be ripped apart by the other passengers."

Exactly. The enabling factor in 9/11 was the training we have all received for a situation like that, which is to be quiet and give them what they want. I guess it works out if you are in a 7-11 being robbed, but in this case it was exactly what the hijackers had planned for. The whole tightened airport security thing after 9/11 was a farce and completely unnecessary. Now that the paradigm shift has occurred, I doubt that 9/11 could be carried out with M16s, let alone box cutters.
35 posted on 11/30/2005 6:19:48 AM PST by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Hey, I want to know if they will let me bring on my size 000 knitting needles. Pointy sticks made of steel....

Knitting needles are still verbotten. Can't have some granny knitting an Afghan.

36 posted on 11/30/2005 6:20:31 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: VRWCmember

But they will let you crochet one...I could do more damage with a smaller crochet hook than with knitting needles, but they don't seem to realize that.


37 posted on 11/30/2005 6:23:02 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: mirkwood

If you are unable to open your complimentary pack of peanuts or sun-chips I'm sure the stewardess would do it for you after she pours your ginger ale...there's really no need for scissors...


38 posted on 11/30/2005 6:27:44 AM PST by zeke15
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To: neodad

Rock beats scissors.


39 posted on 11/30/2005 6:30:02 AM PST by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: zeke15

I'll use the Bowie knife I brought onto the plane, thanks.


40 posted on 11/30/2005 6:30:52 AM PST by dinodino
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