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Gideons and ACLU At Odds Over Scripture Distribution to Missouri Public School Students
WDC Media ^ | Aug 22, 2006 | Allie Martin

Posted on 08/22/2006 12:18:22 PM PDT by rface

The ACLU is trying to restrict the Gideons from handing out Bibles to fifth-graders at an elementary school in Missouri.

For years the superintendent of the South Iron R-1 School District in Annapolis, Missouri, has permitted various groups to present information to students at district schools. The open access policy in the district has allowed such groups as Red Cross, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, and Union Pacific Railroad to have access to the students during classroom time. The Gideons International, which annually places and distributes more than 63 million Scriptures worldwide, has had access to schools during a study period.

Now, however, The Gideons has been singled out in a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union of Eastern Missouri, which claims that last fall two Gideons representatives were permitted to address fifth-graders during class time and then distribute New Testaments to them -- an action the ACLU says is unconstitutional. The lawsuit seeks an injunction prohibiting the South Iron Schools from continuing to allow outside visitors into their classrooms for religious purposes.

Orlando-based Liberty Counsel has joined with conservative author and commentator David Limbaugh in defending South Iron against the lawsuit. Mat Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, says the attacks against the school district are unfounded.

"An open access policy under the First Amendment requires that you treat religious speech equally," Staver explains. "The ACLU may not like the idea that they have to treat religious speech equally, but the fact of the matter is the Constitution demands it. So we're now defending this ACLU lawsuit which we believe, frankly, is frivolous."

Beyond that consideration, Liberty Counsel has added motivation to be involved in the case, says the attorney. "I think it's important to stand up in this particular case because if the ACLU had its way, it would literally shut down religious speech; it would be discriminating intentionally against religious speech, whereas all the other forms of secular expression have their way in the marketplace," says Staver.

Religious viewpoints are protected under the First Amendment, adds the Liberty Counsel founder, but "the ACLU wants to silence [religious] expression. They want all this [other] information to come as a free flow to the students, but not religious information -- in this case, specifically, no Bibles," he comments. "I think it's very important for our religious freedom and certainly for our constitutional liberties to stand up against the bullies of the ACLU."

Two years ago, the ACLU was successful in shutting down The Gideons' scripture distribution in another Missouri school district. In June 2004 the Smithville R-II School District settled a federal lawsuit filed by the ACLU, agreeing that it would not "aid, abet, or assist in the distribution of Bibles to school children on school premises," or "grant permission to any non-student to distribute Bibles on school premises." That lawsuit had been filed by a Catholic father of three. The court-ordered agreement was to remain in effect for as long as the man has children enrolled in Smithville schools.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: aclu; culturewars; gideons; thewordistruth
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Liberty Counsel ,..... I wonder how good the Liberty Counsel track record is??
1 posted on 08/22/2006 12:18:24 PM PDT by rface
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To: rface

According to the ACLU Religious speech is not protected ... only freedom FROM religious speech is protected.


2 posted on 08/22/2006 12:25:42 PM PDT by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me OfI)
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To: rface

What happens if CAIR shows up to hand out Qu'rans? Seems to me that they'd pretty much have to allow it.


3 posted on 08/22/2006 12:26:15 PM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF

That situation already exists in a slightly different form. It is being reported that Fordson High School in Dearbornistan, MI which is 95% Islamic has put aside special prayer rooms and time for prayer during the school day.

The Dearborn Bd of Ed will not answer inquiries about this. The ACLU in the Detroit area refuses to investigate.

Different strokes for different folks?


4 posted on 08/22/2006 12:34:26 PM PDT by kjo
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To: RonF

Alas, it's only a real Koran if it's in Arabic.


5 posted on 08/22/2006 12:34:40 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rface
According the the Library of Congress...

"Aitken's Bible Endorsed by Congress

The war with Britain cut off the supply of Bibles to the United States with the result that on Sept. 11, 1777
(emphasis mine), Congress instructed its Committee of Commerce to import 20,000 Bibles from "Scotland, Holland or elsewhere." On January 21, 1781, Philadelphia printer Robert Aitken (1734-1802) petitioned Congress to officially sanction a publication of the Old and New Testament which he was preparing at his own expense. Congress "highly approve the pious and laudable undertaking of Mr. Aitken, as subservient to the interest of religion . . . in this country, and . . . they recommend this edition of the bible to the inhabitants of the United States." This resolution was a result of Aitken's successful accomplishment of his project."
6 posted on 08/22/2006 12:36:04 PM PDT by DocRock
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To: rface

Gee, what does the ACLU fear? Whatever happened to the free marketplace of ideas? /sarc


7 posted on 08/22/2006 12:37:06 PM PDT by RochesterFan
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To: rface
The Supreme Court has already ruled on this. They cannot exclude one group simply because they are religious.

GOOD NEWS CLUB et al. v. MILFORD CENTRAL SCHOOL

8 posted on 08/22/2006 12:41:39 PM PDT by Hoodat ( ETERNITY - Smoking, or Non-smoking?)
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To: kjo

The Islamic faith requires that it's adherents pray every day at specific times. The Christian faith does not, nor does any other faith that I know of. So it could be argued (and doubtless is) that Moslem students would be denied the right to practice their faith if this was not done, whereas doing this for other faiths would be a special privilege. Not that I agree with such a viewpoint, but it's something to hang a legal argument on.


9 posted on 08/22/2006 12:45:13 PM PDT by RonF
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It's a pretty poor argument. All Christians have to do is claim a similar duty. The ACLU would be all over it.


10 posted on 08/22/2006 1:13:12 PM PDT by kjo
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11 posted on 08/22/2006 1:16:31 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: rface

12 posted on 08/22/2006 1:24:16 PM PDT by Gritty (Wearing out the opposition through endless litigation is the 'nuke' of the left - G. Vanderleun)
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To: TexasGreg
According to the ACLU Religious speech is not protected ... only freedom FROM religious speech is protected.

Yes, but schools can pass out condoms and probably manuals for starting a Jihad.

13 posted on 08/22/2006 1:26:06 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Just another Joe
A suit is pending in a school somewhere for the right of a student to hang his painting of Jesus in a hallway.

I recently read of a Marine which was forced to renovate a building (taxpayer expense) for 4xx Muslim soldiers to pray.

Maybe they will pray for the bibles, or the painting, or prayer in school...
14 posted on 08/22/2006 1:53:47 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: kjo

I'd be interested to see any history at all of any Christian sect that currently has that practice. Because that's what it would take. Islam has a long-established tradition of requiring daily prayers during the time periods that school is in session, but I don't think Christianity does.

Still, I think a good argument could be made that if Moslem students are given prayer privileges and a special place to do it, other religions should get the same.


15 posted on 08/22/2006 3:33:03 PM PDT by RonF
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To: rface
"The ACLU may not like the idea that they have to treat religious speech equally, but the fact of the matter is the Constitution demands it."

The ACLU needs to learn how to read--and read the Constitution.

16 posted on 08/22/2006 3:38:01 PM PDT by boughtwithaprice
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18 posted on 08/22/2006 3:59:15 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: boughtwithaprice

So do the liberal judges who uphold their cases !!!


19 posted on 08/22/2006 4:04:35 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: TexasGreg
only freedom FROM religious speech is protected.

Unless it is witchcraft like two of my sons highschool teachers,who regularly brought their own to share with the class.

Unless it is any other religion other than Christian, or Jewish.

Unless it is Earth worship that they start teaching in preschool and on through college.
20 posted on 08/22/2006 4:13:51 PM PDT by Delphinium
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