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'We have broken speed of light'
Telegraph ^ | 8/16/07 | Nick Fleming

Posted on 08/16/2007 10:15:43 AM PDT by LibWhacker

A pair of German physicists claim to have broken the speed of light - an achievement that would undermine our entire understanding of space and time.

According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, it would require an infinite amount of energy to propel an object at more than 186,000 miles per second.

However, Dr Gunter Nimtz and Dr Alfons Stahlhofen, of the University of Koblenz, say they may have breached a key tenet of that theory.

The pair say they have conducted an experiment in which microwave photons - energetic packets of light - travelled "instantaneously" between a pair of prisms that had been moved up to 3ft apart.

Being able to travel faster than the speed of light would lead to a wide variety of bizarre consequences.

For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving.

The scientists were investigating a phenomenon called quantum tunnelling, which allows sub-atomic particles to break apparently unbreakable laws.

Dr Nimtz told New Scientist magazine: "For the time being, this is the only violation of special relativity that I know of."


TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
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To: taxcontrol
I’m sure anything Captain Kirk did with Slave Drusilla was only for the good of the Enterprise and the Federation. You know, like James Bond doing it for Queen and Country.
161 posted on 08/16/2007 11:05:15 AM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: LibWhacker

How do you measure “instantaneous”?


162 posted on 08/16/2007 11:05:44 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: wolfinator

“Do photons have mass?”

Yes, but they are very light.


163 posted on 08/16/2007 11:05:45 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: CHEE
Most important! Will it cause more Global Warming?
barbra ann
164 posted on 08/16/2007 11:06:02 AM PDT by barb-tex (Why replace the IRS with anything?)
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To: TommyDale

Does this mean Hillary is already president?


165 posted on 08/16/2007 11:06:10 AM PDT by myuhaul
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To: TommyDale

Does this mean Hillary is already president?


166 posted on 08/16/2007 11:06:10 AM PDT by myuhaul
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To: r9etb
Current test equipment can locate a fault within inches over a distance of 25 miles, but measuring the actual speed isn’t feasible. Like you said, the precise “arrival time” cannot be measured accurately and would be definitely be difficult to prove that a lightwave arrived before it actually left. That entire idea is preposterous.
167 posted on 08/16/2007 11:06:56 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: LibWhacker
'We have broken speed of light'

Perhaps we can apply some of that technique to the interstate system. :-)

168 posted on 08/16/2007 11:06:59 AM PDT by meyer (It's the entitlements, stupid!)
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To: LibWhacker

“Being able to travel faster than the speed of light would lead to a wide variety of bizarre consequences. For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving. “

Why is light speed necessarily the benchmark for this?


169 posted on 08/16/2007 11:07:23 AM PDT by DemEater
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To: wolfinator
Photon torpedoes do!
170 posted on 08/16/2007 11:07:32 AM PDT by HenpeckedCon (Can I please freep just a little while longer Dear?)
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To: LibWhacker

???? How is this different that items of mass acting in a wave/Heisenberg Uncertenty principle?

Seems like the same mechanism, ie. everything exists everywhere at varying probabilities...until directly measured.


171 posted on 08/16/2007 11:07:44 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: camerakid400

Photons have no mass.


172 posted on 08/16/2007 11:08:02 AM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: TommyDale

Do you have a link that explains this statement? I’ve seen it thrown around a lot, but it just seems counter-intuitive. If moving beyond “C” were possible, such statements would be moot.


173 posted on 08/16/2007 11:08:03 AM PDT by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: LibWhacker
Being able to travel faster than the speed of light would lead to a wide variety of bizarre consequences.

For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving.

And idiot Senators would have an excuse for "voting for something before they voted against it"...

174 posted on 08/16/2007 11:08:12 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: myuhaul
Actually, she has already been impeached and is serving time in prison!! Here is what happened when Hillary actually flew faster than the speed of light:

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175 posted on 08/16/2007 11:08:33 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: LibWhacker
...astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving

Actually, Kurt Godel developed a solution to the Einstein equations which describe "closed timelike lines" in which it is possible to travel "back" in time without having to travel faster than the speed of light. He presented the solution in a paper to Einstein on the occasion of Einstein's 70th birthday (14 March, 1949). The paper extended relativity theory in [at that time] disturbing ways. In particular it suggests that Time is more like a spatial dimension (since you apparently can travel "through" it just like the familiar spatial dimensions) and furthermore that our perception of Time is subjective and that there is no notion of absolute time.

176 posted on 08/16/2007 11:08:37 AM PDT by jgorris
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To: LibWhacker

I strongly suspect a measurement error.


177 posted on 08/16/2007 11:08:59 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Excessive tolerance will be the death of Western civilization.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

I know what you mean. This puts a serious cramp in my scheduling issues. Being the mother of two small children requires me to be in more than one place at a time. If they can’t fix it soon they will have to pay for a personal assistant for me.


178 posted on 08/16/2007 11:09:52 AM PDT by spotbust1 (Procrastinators of the world unite . . . . .tomorrow!!!)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

But all the Fifth Dimension knew about travel was ... Up Up And Away (in a balloon)


179 posted on 08/16/2007 11:10:50 AM PDT by George from New England
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To: McGruff

Gotta be real quick with a stopwatch; get one of those German jobbies with the nice buttons.


180 posted on 08/16/2007 11:10:59 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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