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The sons of Putin’s elite are kept safe while ordinary Russians become cannon-fodder
The Telegraph ^

Posted on 05/15/2024 12:33:49 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE

A class disparity has emerged within the Russian military, contrasting the fates of ordinary soldiers and the privileged elite. This divide has ignited widespread anger and criticism, even among top-level troops who feel betrayed by their leadership during the ongoing battle over Ukraine.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


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To: Night Hides Not

Apologies for the double post.


61 posted on 05/15/2024 6:04:07 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: mass55th

—” Fort Carson, Colorado.”

A career Army officer I knew had been a junior cross-country ski competitor of note from Poland and was assigned to Fort Carson as a ski instructor.

Turns out to be a new unit for ski mountaineering, he said he was unprepared for it and fortunate that no one was killed. OJT!

By the third or fourth class, he felt competent in the position.


62 posted on 05/15/2024 7:09:51 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
"A career Army officer I knew had been a junior cross-country ski competitor of note from Poland and was assigned to Fort Carson as a ski instructor."

Reminds me of the Norwegian team they put together in WWII to sabotage (Operation Gunnerside), the Vemork hydroelectric power plant in Norway, where the Nazis were producing heavy water. Back in 2003, I watched a 3 part BBC documentary series titled "The Real Heroes of Telemark," which had both Norwegian and Britiish specially trained military team reenact the WWII mission of the Grouse-Gunnerside commando raid.

Also, the 10th Mountain Division stationed at Fort Drum, New York, which is a couple of hours north from where I live, was specifically organized to deal with operations in mountainous regions. I know they had to learn how to ski. In fact, in WWII, this article says:

"Their training at Camp Hale, near Pando, Colo., included skiing, snowshoeing and rock climbing. They also learned cold-weather survival tactics, such as keeping warm by building snow caves."

Battle on the Slopes: World War II's Ski Troops

63 posted on 05/15/2024 8:16:52 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: tennmountainman; All

Who cares about France sending or not sending troops to any place? Its their decision to make if they want to help their allies.
In the mean time, the Kremlin elite mafiosos have butchered about half a million (!) Russian sons and daughters on the killing fields of Ukraine - in only two years!
It makes the Vietnam War look like a vacation camp in direct comparison.
That is the price the Kremlinists are ready make the Russian people pay in order to steal Ukraine’s massive natural resources and land.


64 posted on 05/15/2024 8:17:34 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE (The only thing needed for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

It has happened since ancient times, and not only in Europe and the the US.


65 posted on 05/15/2024 8:57:04 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: USA-FRANCE
Who cares about France sending or not sending troops to any place?

Parents of French soldiers?

66 posted on 05/15/2024 9:01:33 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: Reverend Wright

Yep, most all I knew were from the south or west.

Very few,if any, northeastern guys, or a particular ethnic group.


67 posted on 05/15/2024 9:15:25 PM PDT by doorgunner69 (When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty)
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To: USA-FRANCE
The Russian army revolted in 1917 after taking enormous casualties during WWI.

You would think they'll revolt by now in Ukraine.

68 posted on 05/15/2024 9:20:16 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: USA-FRANCE

Dementia Joe said incursions into Ukraine are OK by him.

Look just a bit deeper into this “War”.


69 posted on 05/15/2024 9:32:46 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: silverleaf
There is a contingent of very rich Ukrainian youth living in the Philippines. They hang out at a resort there. I met them while vacationing. They have been there for years.

I don't fault them. I wouldn't want to fight for Zelensky's corrupt regime either.

If the Telegraph article is accurate you have a situation in Russia where military service is honored, and almost required for a political career. That speaks well of the position of the military in Russian society.

And you also have a system where even the children of the elite go into the Army, albeit in a cush assignment. Sort of like George W. Bush doing National Guard air-force during the Vietnam era.

In America the children of the elite don't even think about going into the Army. We are on generation 2 of the all-volunteer force. Most of the Congress have no military experience.

So, while it's obviously unfair to have this situation in Russia, when I compare it to our system, I think it's probably better. The military is more integrated into society, and everyone has to be part of it for a while.

In Ukraine the rich got out early, and are not going back. The Ukrainians are using press gangs to fill their ranks, which is bad if you are press ganged.

In Russia everyone is supposed to do one year of military service. The bulk of the Russian military are people who sign contracts to stay on at the end of the mandatory service. (As I understand it, having done some research on this topic previously. But I'm not a Russian speaker, so don't have first-hand experience on this topic.)

70 posted on 05/16/2024 3:59:19 AM PDT by Vlad0
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To: mass55th

The Civil War, too.


71 posted on 05/16/2024 4:10:15 AM PDT by combat_boots
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To: Navy Patriot; mass55th; PGR88; OHPatriot; Worldtraveler once upon a time; silverleaf; ohioman; ...

Here is a question for some of you who answered my post on this thread:

Do you denounce the NeoSoviet-Russia-Alliance which includes: Communist China, Communist North Korea, Communist Belarus, Islamic state of Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah?
Or do you NOT denounce that alliance?

If you do NOT denounce that alliance you are wittingly or unwittingly supporting:
a) ...the NeoSoviets
b) ...the Communists
c) ...the radical Islamists
d) ...islamic terror
e) ...and anti-americanism

Guys, it’s time to support old-fashioned American values again. But that need’s one thing! To denounce the Alliance (or axis of evil) I just mentioned above.

////////

Ah... by the way... :

” President Donald Trump, during a visit to Paris for Bastille Day, said, “France is America’s oldest ally. A lot of people don’t know that,” and added, “France helped us secure our independence, a lot of people forget.” “

Article:
“Few Want to Admit It, but the French Saved America During the Revolution”
https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/few-want-to-admit-it-but-the-french-saved-america-

THUS:
Trump never forgets who America’s true allies are. Trump is like (most of us) here on free Republic. We will never forget what Trump never forgets...

Right?


72 posted on 05/16/2024 9:13:08 AM PDT by USA-FRANCE (The only thing needed for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: USA-FRANCE

Please stop spamming me to your brain fart posts .

I’ve asked three times now.


73 posted on 05/16/2024 9:14:55 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time; USA-FRANCE
Last checked, the Z-uke erection has been cancelled due to marshall awe....

Your wisecracks put mine to shame!

By the way, Thanks for the research in previous comment.

74 posted on 05/16/2024 9:37:49 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Vlad0; silverleaf
Nicely said.

Objective, critical thought analysis. Good Points.

75 posted on 05/16/2024 9:52:08 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: USA-FRANCE; mass55th; PGR88; OHPatriot; Worldtraveler once upon a time; silverleaf; ohioman
I Denounce USA-FRANCE, the NeoSoviet shill.

I Denounce USA-FRANCE, the Communist agent.

I Denounce USA-FRANCE, the radical Islamist supporter.

I Denounce USA-FRANCE's promotion of Islamic terror in Europe.

I Denounce USA-FRANCE's anti-americanism against Legacy America's Culture, Citizenry and Values in support of a Corrupt American Government.

There, all Denounced for ya!

76 posted on 05/16/2024 10:08:54 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: USA-FRANCE

Do you want to know what my bra size is too, and whether I’m still a virgin?


77 posted on 05/16/2024 10:13:28 AM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

You commented my post, thus I answered your comment.
Simple and logic common sense.

If you don’t want me to comment your comments to my posts, then stop commenting my posts.

However, please continue commenting my posts! because I am delighted answering you every time! Conversation is great.


78 posted on 05/16/2024 10:35:51 AM PDT by USA-FRANCE (The only thing needed for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Well... I did one good thing apparently... I outfoxed a Russian rabbit from its underground hole. You gave me the proof. That’s good, at least now I know you are not a bot following automatic algorithms...

By the way.. You never answered... Do you denounce the Neo-Soviet-Communist-Iranian Alliance or not?

Is it that difficult to do for you?


79 posted on 05/16/2024 10:45:39 AM PDT by USA-FRANCE (The only thing needed for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: USA-FRANCE; moder_ator

I commented on the thread - not commented to you.

You spammed everyone.

I’ve politely asked you not to spam me in your group posts.

A freeper with character would avoid spamming others.

Stop.


80 posted on 05/16/2024 10:47:39 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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